WM – Chapter 248: Takatsuki Makoto speaks to the Destiny Goddess

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• Feeling uneasy part 2. I loved this lol! I love Makoto's interactions with Ira shes definatly gonna join them on their journey. Well now that Ira herself said it's fine to tell them I bet hes just gonna drop that info casually while chatting and stun everyone. So with this bit of clarification from Ira about the original history we now know why the dragons are missing and that Makoto's actions in the past aren't set in stone, theres still something up in regards to Bifron and Momo remembering Makoto from the original history but I'll wait and see what else the author has in store. Hmm if Makoto meets Noah what's gonna happen, she shouldn't know him but she might recognize her divine mark on him as well as the soul thing she used to seal his spirit king transformation

• “What was that cold attitude of before?” (Makoto)

  “Eh? I was so happy that I felt like if I didn’t, I would end up giggling.” (Ira)

  That's it!! That's how you always had acted, Ira-chan!! Now continue been honest like that!!

  And the change in story seems really great, there are still confusion in my mind as how Momo-chan knowed Makoto and all that, but well, the story so far hadn't been much complex and detailed, so I'm gonna let pass the time paradox and so thinking that is fantasy and end.

  • It could be as simple as Makoto arrive being to a later date, like he arrived after Cain went into a killingspree

    • A group of Avengers? They would Accept any helo, plus It really is off how did Momo be part of the group without Makoto's dagger cutting the Red string of fate since otherwise Bifrons could've used Momo against them anytime

    • Hmm, that's a possibility but I don't know how well the others would react and interact with him in that situation.

  • Unlike Noah or Eir, Ira isn't shady or suspicious, so you can let your guard down with her. Moreover, she is really kind and cute. The only thing bad about her is her clumsiness, but at least you can be sure that she doesn't have any ulterior motives when she shows you kindness. I definitely prefer Ira over Noah.

    • There definitely a good justification, so is understable, and his uselesness is a vital point of his existence, so it's part of his charm.

  • It seems that while its almost confirmed Makoto went to the past before based on Momo and Bifrons reactions, from what Ira has told us theres some sort of difference between original time travel Makoto and current Makoto. So the question is what's the reason for this difference as it currently looks like Makoto going to the past is set but his actions in said past are not, the author is still hiding something from us

• The Gods themselves has confirmed that age is just a number. Thanks for the chapter!

• Thank you for the chapter
  As always, Makoto the Noah simp

• Thanks for the chapter!

• Thank you for the chapter!

  • Well...damn, the eace race for the first really is tough. xD

    I don't know, I had a bad feeling with this one. I mean, Noah didn't know anything about Makoto, right?

    • Perhaps Ira-sama could bribe with the past Noah-sama about it. They are Goddesses after all, they should have some kind of way to share memories.

      • I mean Ira literally just said she read Abels memories, cant Noah just do the same to Makoto if they meet?

        • Imagine if she read it, know the future, and suddenly ditch Cain and switch to Makoto to escape punishment, like, to amend her mistake for having Cain as believer? If it is, poor Cain... 😶

• She didn’t look like she was acquainted with me then…

  “Aah…you are worried about the time paradoxes, huh. That’s not it. Our first meeting was in the Highland Castle 1,000 years in the future. Understand it like that. I can share my past and future memories, but I am simply peeking at the countless possibilities of the future. And now by sending you to the past, the actual history and the changed history are mixing. The only one who can observe all history within the Goddesses is me, the Destiny Goddess. There’s a lot of futures, and the past is not certain; the flow of time in the world is vague.” (Ira)

  “I-I see.” (Makoto)

  I don’t get it.

  “I already told you, right? You don’t have to worry about that. That’s my job as the Destiny Goddess.” (Ira)

  Time paradox system doesn't makes much difference in this isekai huh... At least this explains how mighty the destiny goddess power that time paradox doesn't apply in her and the past and future Ira can share their memories .

  • To be frank, I've been trying to get this for a why.
    I really thought this was on a "time loop" setting, where the world Makoto lives is a direct consequence of him traveling to the past to fix what the demons (who are messing with time) are doing.
    However, now that we now the past is changing, that means 1) he never went back to the past, or 2) a third party is changing even how both the demons and him are acting.
    Makoto's interactions with Sekath, was it?, Bifrons, Momo, and even the Ice Coffin aren't actual evidence, but is to hard to believe is just red herring; in the other hand, he would never have gone to the past if the demons hadn't acted first, so maybe somebody else is really changing the past aside from them, maybe to break the loop?, who knows.

    • That's...true. There isn't an impetus to go back to the past to change things without the demon's attempt, but the jump we see as a result of that is clearly different from the historical timeline now that Ira has confirmed it.

      ........Oooh.
      Perhaps, there will be two trips to the past? The one we're seeing now is caused by the demons, and another that would've happened a bit further down the line even without demon intervention. It wouldn't be until after everything's gone down and the future got bad. Doesn't explain how Bifrons recognizes Takki, but...

    • This why I've never really like time paradox

  • Then back then in the present the Great Sage Momo purely has interest towards Makoto, and not because she is having a memories of her and Makoto being really close in the past. But well, then i don't know why else the Author would points out that there's a coffin in Momo's house that some of us suspected as where Makoto from the past is waiting to be awaken again.

    • About the great sage: I'm thinking maybe there is something related to the fact that she has destiny magic, even if she is not good with it, plus the fact that she drinks and drank his blood?
      Because to me it is obvious that she remembers him form 1000 years in the past.
      And what about her being saved by Abel in the "original" time-line? He wasn't even near there...
      So, yeah, there is something amiss

    • Could it be that previously he had gone to the past but only met the History Gang (that is what I am calling them to differentiate them from the merry band of heretics) much later on? You know how in the picture book it says they only got stronger half way through the story, could THAT have been when Takki-dono showed up?

      ...but then how did Bifrons recognise him?

      Or could it be that history never really changed and only people’s perceptions of history? Remember Ira says she can only see the possibilities of history. Perhaps what she saw before, and took to be the real history, was what was most likely to have happened if Takki-Dono hadn’t shown up at that time rather than the actual TRUE history. Bear in mind history changing is only valid if we assume that what is described before DID actually happen as described, who is to say it did?

      Remember, Ira is the Divine Disappointment. She may well not even understand her power properly (wouldn’t put it past her) and doesn’t realise that Takki-Dono’s future lies in the past, therefore because his future is there nothing can be seen properly. And due to his (future) direct involvement in the past neither she nor any other God could actually see what would happen at the time. Plus do bear in mind that currently the Goddess don’t really know what is happening on the planet due to not having believers so they aren’t sure what is happening. I highly suspect that they use Ira’s clairvoyance to peek at the past, and what she saw in the past was what would have happened if Takki-dono wasn’t there. But he was.

      ...if that rambling half baked idea makes sense

    • Ira might as well alter her own memories later to preserve the flow of history so no, say, Eir come to know of this and try to snatch a capable believer. Or this can be the world's natural defense against paradoxes, like no observers (people who remember before it happened) means nothing happened.

    • I'm pretty sure Momo did meet him in the past but it seems theres a difference here somewhere as Ira has confirmed that history has already greatly changed, dont forget we had a time travel hint from when Makoto met Bifrons as well so theres still something we are missing

    • Yeah that's kinda piqued my interest too cause the Great sage Momo seems to be too attached it's like Makoto has been into the past but different history than the one they are right now. (・・)

      • I suspect that the present was already altered when Makoto came to the isekai. Else, it wouldn't make sense why Momo was so attached to Makoto, why Bifrons was shocked when he saw him and why Momo knew about his RPG Player skill.

• Thanks for the chapter! Now that's the loyal believer of Noah-sama! Asking to meet her first when offered anything.

  "That’s right. The grudge of having his parent figure -the Fire Hero- killed, the grudge of having her mother eaten in front of her eyes, the grudge of having his family he led be killed, the grudge of having her family of Ancient Dragons killed… That connected to them defeating the Great Demon Lord…” (Ira)

  Oh, so when Makoto gets back to the present, there's a chance we would see a change of attitude on Great Sage Momo compared to the time before Makoto time travelled, then? Would like to see how much she would changes

  Ah, but now they are lacking battle spirit. Isn't that bad then? I wonder how would Makoto overcome this. The last time he faced off a Demon Lord, he struggles a lot that he needs the help from Great Sage Momo and Sakurai. I don't think he could easily do it the same like he faced off Bifrons back then in the wood country

  • Wait, there is something bothering me. What will happen to the people who were supposed to be killed but were saved by Makoto ? If Ira is fixing history, she will have to "kill" them, right ?

    • "A few more people living shouldn’t make that much difference." - @moridin84

      Apparently, you've never heard of the Butterfly Effect. Even the tiniest change in the timeline has effects that ripple into the future, causing more and more significant changes. And we're talking about 1000 years here. If we strictly adhere to Butterfly Effect rules, then Lucy shouldn't exist in the future anymore because Makoto affected Johnny's actions. Reproduction and genetics are tricky. If you were conceived even five seconds later, then your chromosome pairings would most likely be different and you would be an entirely different person. Or it's entirely possible that the exact sperm cell that conceives you doesn't even reach the egg cell anymore. Now multiply that by every living thing (because other living things contribute to the ripples too) and number of seconds.

      • Well, I think we're looking at the larger historical scale of things. If the people that survive and exist thanks to this are shifted into the background so their family line either ends or live inconsequential lives somewhere that won't affect major events, I think it qualifies as "not much of a difference".
        It's not that there aren't ripples, but surely there aren't ripples that can't be smoothed out over 1000 years.

        For those small things like conception and genes...Please and thank you, Ira-chan~

    • And what's happen with momo's fate string without Makoto? I think this is like "John Smith" from suzumiya haruhi..

    • not really, they can hide too

      that, or goes somewhere unknown

      remember that there's still country "outside" of the continent, and they have only promised to help when Iblis have actually resurrected

      those people might be their descendants

    • Savioroffrance san, In my opinion, I think fixing the history not really must to match past and future.

      For example, in the future you lost rice and go buy bun for your meal and you got full, and now you come back to past to change the excident of you lost rice, now you have rice for your meal and get full because of it, in the story now, it's the will affect the same fact, that you full because eating "something".

      So I think if in the will same it's okay.

      Maybe.. 😂

    • A paradox in time is an event that is destined to change the timeline from the moment that someone who does not belong to that timeline modifies some event. History is going to modify and the people of the future will never know what happened. For them everything will be as if it had been that way from the beginning.

      Ira has just confirmed that she met Makoto for the first time in the future so the past was destined to be changed by either humans or demons.
      Finally, no one who died in the other timeline will die ... honestly, no one of the good ones dies in this story, only the bad guys and the characters that never appear in history except by name.

    • They might die by choking on a dark pretzel. All to balance the scales.

    • It happened 1000 years ago so what's important is all the stories about what happened 1000 years ago.

      A few more people living shouldn't make that much difference.

      I mean, compared to like Anna holding a torch for Makoto...

    • They might pull a steins gate where it only needs to seem like they died from the perspective of history, after all If they decide to leave and live somewhere quite and secluded then it won't be that hard to make it seem like they perished so long as no one goes looking for the "dead" heros and their families

      • So they will try to deceive history ? Sounds plausible.

        • I wonder how much of history will seem the "same" and what kind of subtle and not so subtle changes we'll see when Makoto gets back

    • Who knows? Maybe it will do something similar to Fate , having them still die even though the events were changed, but from different causes.

  • So the original history is just a bunch of revenge filled mind heroes and dragon on the journey to kill the one who the reason why their beloved ones die.

    • Everyone needs a reason to fight good or bad, remember the history is always written by the winner and they always will praise how it was done.

    • That honestly just sounds like the plot of Xenoblade 1.

    • Well, their journey of revenge changed the world so much that it changed the way how human lives so it can't be helped that it is written and described as kind of Holy War or something like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

• Thanks for the chapter.

  Makoto misses Noah-sama

• Feeling uneasy part 2…

  “Why?!” (Ira)

  “You messed up a lot of times before…” (Makoto)

  “Ugh… I won’t mess up again!” (Ira)

  This statement killing me 😂😂😂

  • It was worth the wait 😂😂😂