Chapter 283: The Beast Knight and The Devil

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• Amazing !! such dense fight i missed it so much !! Great work thanks for chaps.

• One of Makoto's main weaknesses in a fight, and the reason he's so heavily invested in defense, is his poor ability to heal damage. He's sort of the polar opposite of Mio in combat. In a fight of attrition where Makoto's raw volume of manifest magic doesn't block out all damage and the enemy can't be put down directly he'll need to work to disable. The silver arms would be the easy way to restrain Aznoval. They could probably kill him as well.

  A serious weakness of Makoto's defense this fight exposed is his lack of mid-air maneuverability. If I was building a defense using Makoto's armor as a base I'd go with reactive armor spells and MKV-L maneuvering.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM

  Hm, was Makoto even able to retain any of the Tomoe's aptitude for healing from when she and Emma were healing him after the fight with Mio? I don't recall.

  • Makoto does seem to have a problem where his body resists healing magic for some reason.
    I'm hoping he'll eventually just tap into Mio's regeneration power after a while.

    Regarding the air maneuverability, though...didn't he have ability to turn mana into platforms he could jump off of?

    • "doesn’t he essentially have a fairly omnidirectional air dash?"

      You nailed the problem in your description. It's a dash which however fast a dash relies on Makoto's awareness and reflexes. He also has to build a platform out of magic, reorient himself in space and then use his primitive ape legs to propel himself forward along a determined ballistic trajectory.

      Or to put it another way -
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGtjBbNCV4

      Also, someone who already has to concentrate a lot for their offensive benefits considerably from having automagic damage avoidance. Give the armor reactive thrust vectoring to move Makoto out of the path of powerful direct attacks and he won't get stabbed like he was here, or caught out and carried by the momentum of an attack like the moonlight slash. Also also, being able to move omnidirectionally without changing your facing makes you generally harder to predict and hit.

      Hm. You know, I bet if Tomoe or Mio convinced Makoto that sleeping with them would empower them somehow he'd do it. He bit pretty hard on the naming-gives-power thing. But then Shiki might have to take one for the team.

    • Maybe, but it's Super Metroid vs. Descent II control. If you can't accelerate freely in any direction then inertia will ruin your day.
      Then again, enough inertia applied correctly will still ruin your day regardless.

      • I remember when I played the Metroid series it was funny.

      • I'm not quite sure I understand.

        With Makoto's natural strength combined with the ability to essentially kick off the air, doesn't he essentially have a fairly omnidirectional air dash? I guess turning might be a bit difficult, but that can probably be resolved with some clever angling.

• O.o

• Am i the only one who thinks that this beast knight is total idiot??? He is saying to Makoto that he wants to be a knight, but arent knights someone who always fights fair and wont use underhanded things to will win the fight just with his own skill and protect weaker (this is how knights look to me, especially in the games), and here we have him saying he is doing his best to be knight and the very next moment we have the conversation of his comrades saying that even when that beast knight wanted fair 1v1 fight they still buffed his stats and they even weaken Makoto..... even if Makoto is out of place monster that has magic power of gods this doesnt seem fair to me, because its not like that power was given to him, all that magic power is his doing and not something he got from some kind of blessing like that adventures of origin have (well yeah Makoto have sakai but still).... for someone who lived for hundreds or even thousand of years he still doing bad job in being knight. (And that he still cant beat him even after Makoto isnt in his full power + his own stats are being buffed + advantage of being immortall so his technigue must be perfected and Makoto is how to say "total beginner in fighting" , if it was me i wouldnt even feel proud about winning in situation like this, well this whole situation is like if some kind of well-known athlete came to elementary school to duel some talented kid and have him take multiple restriction, but the athlete can play horewer he wants)

  • all the things you list are weapon for aznoval, nothing unfair or 'underhanded' about it.
    you didn't list any of makoto's weapon though. he receved 2 divine blessing too, and his immense mana pool is a plot device. if you complain because a blessing or a terrain advantage is 'unfair' you should consider ultra power-up through a 'miracle' as unfair too.
    and makoto agreed to those conditions. there is nothing to complain about.

    you totally don't make any sense anymore with "his technique must be perfected and Makoto is how to say “total beginner in fighting” ", seriously how do you want him "to fight just with his own skill" like you said if he can't count on experience and training? or maybe what you call 'skill' is talent, but that's not something you are responsible but something you are born with, A.K.A a god's gift and we go back to blessing being unfair too. everything is unfair to you.

    what do you think knights are? men that seek men of the same experience to wrestle naked?
    (that sound so sexual...)

    • @Psychronia.

      Well, whatever the reason, I can't just agree with it being just a "plot device" or a "miracle". The way @redconolel puts things it sounds like Makoto's strength only comes from his strong "magical power" and blessings he received from Tsukyomi. I bet he doesn't see any strong points about Makoto. Can you list some @redcolonel?

      He has already shown us with his first encounter with Sofia and Lancer, that "just having power" doesn't make you strong, you have to be able to use it. That's why he trained and developed the magical armour.

      • why I call it absurd is because of how out of proportion it is (double each time, that easily)
        I can understand that will training hard you become the best at farting, but it sound like a miracle if you become able to fly with your farts.
        that's pretty much how I see it.

        I understand that because of his hard work, he became stronger than a other human,
        and even without talent (apart from the mystery talent he doesn't seem to use) he was the strongest of the 3 summoned. zef said he was probably stronger than himself the day he fall in the wastelands IIRC

        asora was created by using tsukuyomi's divin power. it was said by Athena, Susanoo and Shiva. it's said to be triggered by the contract with tomoe, and was a result brough by an interaction between gods and people.
        it's said to be linked to makoto.
        and remember that mokoto sucked enough of tsukuyomi's power while receiving the blessing that it knocked him out for a century.

        my point was how when taking less than 1% of asora, he transform it in 100%? I can't find a logical explanation apart that it's somehow linked to the blessing that was consumed to make asora.

        "power" and "skill", you're are nitpicking.

        "it’s when he started his archery training when he started to become physically stronger. It was mentioned in his sister’s pov."
        it's subject to interpretation though
        he could be better because:
        -he passed the dangerous mark for his adaptation
        -he stopped doing close combat training that hurt him. and did sport without physical contact with others.
        -he started something that passion him, it played a role on his complexion
        -he started to train harde than before, making him adapt better
        maybe other reason, but if we take your explanation, that mean while showing result from when he started, he would have already gained that skill before starting. but I think it was said he gained this skill through harsh training for archery, that would mean when he started archery, he already had the skill he gained through archery.
        well that's just how I see it.

        many plausible reasons for makoto being physically stronger
        -his sisters aren't as dedicated as him to their training, since it's not their vocation, but does it because their parents made them to. makoto was said to be very hard working about archery.
        -they didn't had that big of an advantage to begin with, his big sister said she was weakest than average will being a kid.
        -makoto is a BOY, his sister are GIRLS. *triggered internally*

        I don't think his strength come only from his magical power, it's just in the eye of DiscoManiak, that ultra power-up should be seen as unfair.

        want some strong point from makoto?
        he is strong, king and hardworking.

        but I admit I am biased against him

        • @Redcolonel it was stated by the author that Makoto is pretty mutch out of the norm the reason he does things that aren't supposed to happen is because of his origin, a normal Hyuman wouldn't have been able to survive on earth without a strong blessing like his parents recieved or inhereting adaptation from his parents, that only happened with his little sister. In his older sister point of view it shows how weak she was compared to other children but it also mentions that Makoto was in an even worse state that her, so one can understand how harsh that was for him. The fact that he survived that and managed to completely adapt to that enviroment is as miraculous as he doubling his mana. So if you acept his surviving in earth as his own effort then the double mana when training should be considered the same. Also Tsuki bro didn't passed out only because he gave Makoto a blessing, it was the strain it put on him making the connection to the world of the Goddes, mantaining the connection far longuer that schaduled, and forcing his incarnation in that world to apologize to Makoto for the Goddes behaviour and the blessing, even more when he himself is not that strong of a diety so he wasn't supposed to taxing himself that mutch. Now it doesn't mean that the stregnh of the adventures of Origin is only plot deviece, they have also had time to properly train their skill to that level and have had a lot of life expierence as well.

        • I didn't mentioned it, but actually yes I consider makoto surviving a 'miracle'.
          He was fated to die after his sister's birth, but was healed by a healer, it bend fate, and it's said was worth the luck of 5 lifetimes.
          probably the reason why he has an unconventional bad luck now.

        • ......Oooh...

          Something's just occurred to me. Do we have confirmation that Makoto's mana pool doubles every time he uses that meditation?

          What if it's more of a flat quantity and it only seemed like it doubled that one specific time because that's how strong Makoto was relative to the increase? Or what if it stopped doubling and started increasing at a smaller and smaller proportion?

        • in the beginning I think it was said to double each time but I don't remember it being corrected later on

    • No, it's because you don't understand what it is, that's why you can't accept it or think of it as BS.

      What he does is technically meditating. He has reached the peak in concentration and can instantly access that state. Did you know that by performing an action over and over, when it becomes habitual, like washing dishes, you can enter a state of meditation?

      What he does is spreading his awareness into his surroundings, which means his "self" isn't fixed into his body anymore, which is technically dying and then he returns it to his body becoming more focused. It's pretty easy to understand.

      Well, their entitled to their opinion, but I still believe that it's because of his "ritual" that he can double his mana capacity since he literally becomes part of his surroundings and then focuses it into his body, meaning that he gathers the surrounding mana and absorbs it into his body. You can say that Asora also helps his power growth, since the mana is really thick in that world, but his ritual is the reason why he can do it.

      This can easily be explained with why he suddenly grew in strength after he had a weak and frail body since birth. This happened right after he took up the bow, afterall.

      • I understand, but I don't buy it.

        why would he be able to grow so much by meditating? (double his mana each time is absurd IMO)
        why is he the only one who can do it? not like he has the monopoly of meditation.
        why is it so 'limitless'?
        he only did it in asora, asora is part of his power and double of volume each 'ritual'. that mean in his ritual he absorb a very small part of asora (let's say less than 1% since people doesn't notice the difference) and then asora's volume double. How?

        I think it can be explained if it's linked with tsukuyomi's blessing that was used for asora. but I have absolutely no proof of anything, just a random guess.

        He was supposed to grow stronger while aging as his body would adapt more to 'earth' (past the 5 year old mark when he was supposed to die).
        I don't think it's linked to his ritual because it would mean he already had that power when he started archery and didn't develop it by years of training.

        • You really can't give any credit to Makoto can you?

          Meditation in itself is "reaching the peak of concentration" and Makoto has mastered it to a degree where he can instantly go into that state, that's why he never misses with his bow.

          The reason why only he can do it is because only he can instantly access that state and he achieved it through his training. Do you know how long it takes to perfect meditation? It can take someone his entire lifetime to perfectly reach that point. It's simply talent.

          Why is it limitless? How should I know? We never got an explanation about where mana comes from and why it exists now did we? ...and are you trying to imply that the mana is supplied by Tsukyomi through his blessing? That would be absurd since Tsukyomi is currently out of mana, which means he can't supply anymore and that's why it is illogical to assume that the increase in mana in Asora is due to Tsukyomi's power.

          Who is to say that Tsukyomi has anything to do with Asora? It could be a manifestation of Tomoe's power through her link with Makoto, that's why it grows whenever his mana pool increases and Asora was originally Tomoe's ability. So far we can't just assume anything until it's explained, though.

          Tsukyomi already said that he only gave Makoto power. Sakai manifested by itself from that power, but as we have seen that it only becomes active if Makoto gives it a "command".

          Seriously, it's not a "power", it's a skill he obtained through training and yes, it's when he started his archery training when he started to become physically stronger. It was mentioned in his sister's pov.

          If you think that's the case, then why isn't his sisters the same? His older sister does Judo, a way more physical sport than archery. If we go with that logic, then his sister should be stronger than him, but she already mentioned that Makoto became physically stronger than her in her POV. That just doesn't make sense.

        • Actually, Tsukuyomi mentioned that his power was unwittingly sucked out by Makoto when he bestowed his blessing.

          Now that you mention it, could it simply be that Makoto is just expanding himself as a vessel with the "nothingness" of his meditation, and the overflowing power from Moon-bro fills that gap in every time?

          Nobody else could detect that power because Tsukuyomi's power was vague even among gods to begin with, but it takes the form of magic power inside the mortal Makoto.

          If we go the route where Makoto chooses to stay mortal, it would be cool if he simply passes all his accumulated divine power over to Tsukuyomi, who suddenly inherits the ability for Creation because of that. Not to mention, since he seems to be a god that's skilled at maintaining the relationships of nature, so he could feasibly come in to take over for a dethroned Bug.

    • Okay, firstly, I don't really care about how Aznoval fights, since he needs everything he can get in order to fight Makoto and you know, "everything is fair in love and war",etc.

      What I can't agree with is with what you call a "plot device" and a "miracle".

      Although I agree that in really that it is a "plot device" created for the story, I don't agree with you when you use the term in a comparison between Makoto and Aznoval's abilities. It takes away its entire worth.

      I really don't like it when people use a writer's perspective when we discuss something from the story's perspective (or reader's perspective). If we do use a writer's perspective to view things in-story, the majority of the characters and concepts can be put into terms that would diminish their worth in the story. That's why I like to only view things from that world's perspective and follow the story as reader. Save the writer's analysis for reviews or if it comes up in the discussions.

      It was already explained how Makoto achieved that state and how he got to that point that he can increase his mana. It was through hard work that he can increase his mana pool and not a "miracle". He went through training that was harder on him than it was for a normal human.

      It was something he learned and perfected over the years. Miracles are something that happens without an explanation, while Makoto trained to achieve that. That's why I can't agree with you when you call it a miracle.

      Now that I think about it, that might also be the reason why his constitution became better and how his body got stronger as he grew up, since your body normally don't do something like that. He died and was reborn again each time he did his ritual before shooting his bow.

      • step 1: focus
        step 2: fire an arrow
        step 3: die
        step 4: double his mana

        that's something that shouldn't happen, only the MC can do it, and give him an insane power each time incomparable with any grow through training.

        if you accept some BS explanation like "you focus so much that you 'technically' die, and you double your power because you somehow reborn", okay.
        But I don't see that explanation as rational ans satisfying enough to not call it a miracle.
        but fair, let's stop calling a miracle.

        a bit off topic, but since some time I thinks that maybe this sudden grow in power is due to asora, and would be linked to tsukoyomi's blessing that was consumed through the pact with tomoe.
        a theory with no real basis.

        • You have the events of that meditation completely wrong, on top of everything else.
          Step 1: prepare the scene (visualize the area)
          Step 2: clear your mind (Makoto does this by shutting his off)
          Step 3: focus (this is where the mana doubles)
          (optional) Step 4: fire the arrow

          If you follow the reasoning behind his growth, then back on Earth he would scatter his soul like this, and the tiny amount of mana he gathered would be spread out (like casting a net), collecting some more as he reformed his soul in a slightly stronger state (a net barely collects any dew). So only his 'vessel' was getting stronger, now between finding himself in a magical world, and Tsuki giving him a power boost, that vessel has been filled. That's where he gets his massive power well.

  • I'd say Aznoval needs that advantage for this to even be considered a fair fight. Makoto's destroyed demigods and his Sakai IS literally a god given power. There's an experience gap, and Makoto's not the most polished fighter but that's been true for nearly all his fights so far.

    Knights aren't about fair fights really or they wouldn't be wearing armor, wielding swords and spearing foot-soldiers from horseback. Sure you have courtesy and form, for king and country... but you don't box naked against a bear.

    If you want a historical equivalent, think of this as the battle of Crecy played out by two actors - longbow wrecking mounted cavalry.

• OOOOHHH things are going to get pretty serious for Makoto this point on!! Thanks for the chapter!! Release thy power Makoto!!! Engulf the world with your endless magic!

• thanks for the chapter!

  okay, now we know how his immortality works

  • Do we? I still have some experimentsquestions to go over about this.

    Like, what if a limb is severed?

    • when tomoki fought against sofia, no matter the damages he took, he never lost a limb. I don't think the adventurers can be restrained by doing that

• Three!

  • *266

    • You counted?

      • well, I was the 267 poster and I think he was the last poster before that so I think he is 266

• Thank alot for those chapter.

• Ah cliffhanger my long lived enemy, thanks for the double chapter

• now he only has to explode Q_Q
  cant wait ><
  ty for the chap