“How’s Limia?”
“It is a big country. Isn’t it a major power that is fighting over the first and second place?” (Makoto)
A vague question from Senpai.
Leaving aside that I might have answered differently If she had made a more concrete question, I gave my impressions of Limia.
I have a few bad impressions of the rampant nobles, but…if I had to give a good part of it, it would be that, honestly, I don’t have much of an impression.
“Fufufu, a major power huh. That’s true. But you see, in truth, the major power that you and I imagine are quite different. It is also a half-hearted country.” (Hibiki)
“Half-hearted?” (Makoto)
I don’t think a major power can be half-hearted.
It is a major power because many people live there, right?
In that case, it wouldn’t be able to function as a country without a superior system supporting it.
“For example, the population, Makoto-kun, how much do you think is the population of Limia?” (Hibiki)
P-Population?
This is a topic I have not cared at all for since coming to this world.
“…The territory of Limia is wide, so maybe around the ten millions or hundred millions?” (Makoto)
Looking at its territory only, I don’t think it would be strange for them to have at least this much.
“The correct answer is: I don’t know.” (Hibiki)
“Hah?”
What’s with that?
Isn’t that cheating?
“In this world, there’s practically no country –including Limia– that has a clear grasp of their population. From what I know, the only one that has a grasp on it is Tsige. Moreover, the ones in possession of the information were not government officials of the country, but a single company.” (Hibiki)
Seriously?
One company?
…I feel like there’s only one who fits the bill.
I wonder if he has a grasp on the population even in the current sudden increases it is having, Rembrandt-san.
“It is most likely difficult…probably.” (Makoto)
A grasp on the number of people…inhabitant’s ballot, no, a census huh.
Wait, it should have existed in Japan since quite a long time ago though…
In other words, it shouldn’t be difficult?
Unless it is quite the chaotic era.
This world is currently in war, but thinking about the time in which it began in my previous world, it wouldn’t be strange for them to be able to do it.
If we are talking about a chaos that made the document burn in fire and had the minds of people agitated to the point of being unable to keep things like that in mind, it would be…the revolution at the Ounin era, maybe?
In the past, even when I investigated in my free time about that era, I couldn’t understand it well.
The enemies became allies, and even when the Heads of both powers were affiliated to the same camp, the battle continued, and by the time I noticed, it was already the Sengoku period.
I don’t think this world is in the same state.
“They don’t have the will to do so, they don’t find any reason to do it; it is just because of that. They just report about an approximate of the harvest, and from that report, they decide the tax. With a system like that, there’s little point in keeping the population number in check.” (Hibiki)
“I-I see.” (Makoto)
They decide the tax by the land huh.
It is certainly true that by doing that, they are able to leave the rest to the nobles.
I feel like they are just pushing all the responsibility away though, but if the income is properly coming in, it doesn’t seem to be a problem.
“But if a country is thinking about obtaining power, it is a topic that can’t be ignored. And in truth, I would say that Limia’s population is around 50 million to 70 million, but the tax yields are only around half of that number. So it is like they can avoid tax as much as they want.” (Hibiki)
“Half… The remaining would be embezzlement huh.” (Makoto)
Limia is practically a despotism of nobles after all.
“Yeah. I am sorry about asking for a consent after the fact, but we are currently utilizing your help in order to improve this part.” (Hibiki)
“Me?” (Makoto)
Did I do something?
“It was a real help. Thanks.” (Hibiki)
“No well, I don’t have much awareness of this, but if I was of help…that’s great. Or more like, Senpai, you are even doing things like improvements?” (Makoto)
I feel like this has to do with the very foundations of the country.
“Improvement is a special skill from Japan after all. There’s no way I wouldn’t use it just because I am in a parallel world, right? I brought out the topic of population as an example, but there’s a lot of things that can be changed in this world for the better.” (Hibiki)
Isn’t that saying too much?
Improvement isn’t something only Japan does, it is done in the whole planet Earth.
“Well it is not like it shouldn’t be used but…it seems like you are putting a lot of zeal into this country.” (Makoto)
“…This is the country I have been summoned in.” (Hibiki)
“I know that.” (Makoto)
“It is the country where I know the most people, and the country where the most people know of me. It is the country that has placed their expectations on me. Isn’t it a matter of course that I think deeply of it?” (Hibiki)
“Sorry.” (Makoto)
I felt like I was being criticized, so I ended up apologizing.
Well, I also think deeply of Asora, so it should be about the same.
If it’s that, I feel like I can understand.
Different from Asora, Limia is connected by land with other countries and if there’s enemies, they can get attacked though.
“…I want you to like this country as well. Is it…difficult to desire that?” (Hibiki)
…
The eyes of Senpai were dyed in seriousness.
“Makoto-kun, this world and the Goddess, it is certainly true that it is very different from the common sense of our original world. There’s definitely things that you can’t just accept and things that are unreasonable.” (Hibiki)
“…”
“I know that you don’t hold positive feelings towards the Goddess. At this occasion, I won’t tell you to throw those away. Just that, for the sake of finishing this long war… can’t you please lend us your strength? Of course, I won’t be telling you to learn of war either. It is fine to supply us with goods at a suitable price.” (Hibiki)
“…”
So she is telling me to supply the goods of Limia huh.
If it’s to lend strength to Senpai only, it would be a different case, but if I were to cooperate in supplying the goods in order to finish the war, it would mean that I have taken the side of hyumans.
Meaning that, even if it’s indirectly, I am participating in the war.
Yeah, can’t do.
There’s no choice but to refuse.
“…How about it?” (Hibiki)
“Sorry, I can’t. If it’s just selling things to Senpai personally, I wouldn’t mind though.” (Makoto)
“I see. So you won’t be cooperating ‘for the sake of putting an end to the war’ huh.” (Hibiki)
…Ah.
Even I could tell that Senpai emphasized the words at the latter half.
So they are already suspecting that I have a connection with the demon race huh.
They don’t have any positive proof of it, so they can’t ask about this crime though.
“I’m thinking on opening the doors of Kuzunoha Company to all that need it. Please let me cooperate in the sense of neutrality.” (Makoto)
“You see, Makoto-kun…I don’t think that all the actions of the Goddess are correct.” (Hibiki)
“?!!”
Senpai?!
No wait, isn’t that something a hero shouldn’t say?!
“She is not the ‘God’ that we think of. She has a personality, and individuality. I have not heard of the existence of other Gods in this world aside from her, so it shouldn’t be wrong to say that she is the only God though.” (Hibiki)
“…”
That’s right. There’s no way I would accept something like that as a God.
The God that Senpai is talking about is probably the almighty one.
That kind of God, I have not met one either.
But…I do think that there’s no way it is okay to leave that Goddess do as she pleases.
“The existence that manages and watches over this world. The Gods that exist are probably people that do these kind of jobs. Honestly, even now, I still think that she is a woman with problems in her personality.” (Hibiki)
“Senpai…” (Makoto)
“But Makoto-kun, no matter the existence she is, she lives in a different place from us, in other words, an existence that has nothing to do with us, you know? Even for us, the day we met that night was the last. Until then, I didn’t believe in the existence of God. In other words, isn’t she only an existence that we met in a mere instant of our short lives?” (Hibiki)
“…”
“What will you do by maintaining that feeling of defeat inside of you? It is like having complains about the laws and phenomenons that naturally exist in the world. Isn’t it pointless?” (Hibiki)
“Why did Senpai…?” (Makoto)
“Eh?” (Hibiki)
“Why did Senpai come to this world? Even though you had a life of success secured over there.” (Makoto)
I don’t understand at all.
“You want to know the reason why I came to this world?” (Hibiki)
“Yeah.” (Makoto)
“You are interested in the reason of why someone like me, who shouldn’t have any relation to this world to begin with, would come to this world?” (Hibiki)
“!”
Does Senpai know?
The fact that the two being summoned was the fault of me and my parents.
“…Because I thought it was interesting.” (Hibiki)
“That’s the main reason?” (Makoto)
“Well, it is not like I don’t hold any feelings of wanting to return to my life in Japan. However, at that time, at that instant, I certainly did feel that being in a parallel world was appealing. That’s why I am here. In the end, the whole reason I am here is because of the feelings of that instant. From then, I created connections in this world more and more, and I can no longer separate from it so easily.” (Hibiki)
“Feelings of that instant.” (Makoto)
So Senpai currently doesn’t have intentions of going back then.
I can sense that from her.
Even though she said she wanted to return a bit, I couldn’t feel a single trace of homesickness from Senpai’s words.
“The Empire’s Tomoki must be the same. Well, if the Goddess had asked him the previous day or the day after, his answer might have differed. There’s plenty possibility that different heroes would be summoned, and he and I would currently be living a peaceful life in Japan.” (Hibiki)
“…”
Right.
At that day, in just that instant, the two decided to become heroes.
A decision is a decision.
But if we were to call it a thoroughly thought decision, as expected, that wouldn’t be the case.
“It is not like I am blaming Makoto-kun. Don’t make that face. Let me advance the topic. In this world, the interference of God is not something definite or anything like that. This world will most likely change more and more. If we can finish the war soon and calm down the quarrel between hyumans and demons, we would be able to use that much time in changing the world.” (Hibiki)
“Change…the world?” (Makoto)
“That’s right. It can’t be done easily, but I think it is possible to create a society where hyumans and demi-humans don’t discriminate each other.” (Hibiki)
Reforming the very thinking of hyumans then?
But as long as the foundation of that thinking lies in the teachings of the goddess, I think it is impossible.
Even in the teachings of the Spirits, they are told that demi-humans are existences below hyumans, you know?
“Even if you are a hero, isn’t that way too idealistic? This is a world where a big number of hyumans follow a religion that goes against that very ideal of yours.” (Makoto)
“Isn’t Makoto-kun showing that possibility yourself? In Rotsgard and Tsige. It is possible to wake up the hyuman society as a whole with those actions, right? I don’t think the Goddess would be able to forcefully amend the people that want to change themselves. I have investigated decades of activities from her, but she herself is docile and simply has a deep affection for beautiful hyumans, and she doesn’t punish hyumans that hold a different way of thinking from what she wills. At least in public it is known in that way.” (Hibiki)
So Senpai is trying to change the Goddess’ world from the inside?
But if that’s the case, her thinking should be close to mine, and yet, why is it that I feel like Senpai is so far away?
“In that case, Senpai, even if the Goddess doesn’t exist anymore in this world, for example; even if a different God were to take her place, you wouldn’t mind, right?” (Makoto)
Well, even if I say a different God, I don’t have a specific God in mind though.
I am just saying and see how she reacts.
But if Senpai does think that way, I thought that maybe it would be possible to form a cooperative relationship with her.
If she thinks that a society where demi-humans don’t face discrimination is better, it would be possible to speak with the demons as well.
“…Even if the Goddess is gone?” (Hibiki)
“F-Figuratively speaking.” (Makoto)
In the case that I actually fight her, win, and punish her, I don’t know if the Goddess will continue managing this world as always.
In that case, I thought that since a God is gone, there would be a different God coming to fill her place.
“If it doesn’t have any effect on the world at all, I wouldn’t mind. Just that…” (Hibiki)
“Just that…?” (Makoto)
“If the Goddess is gone, the Spirits that work as her servants will be gone, and then she -the manager of this world- would be gone. Who knows what kind of effect would bring to the magic power that serves as the nucleus of this world. On top of that, the blessings and divine protection will disappear and the status of the Church will fall. There’s also the fear that the very teachings of the Goddess will be thrown away as well.” (Hibiki)
“…”
I didn’t think that far ahead.
Because I didn’t care at all about what would happen to this world after the Goddess lost her power or at worst, died.
It is fine to just bring the people that want refuge into Asora first, and in the first place, it is a world that existed even when the Goddess wasn’t there.
It seems like people like Root where there at that time, so I think that it won’t go to the point of being impossible to live in.
That’s why I didn’t think further than that.
But it seems like Senpai had thought about the things that would happen if the Goddess were to fall.
“Even if, for argument’s sake, it turns peaceful at that time, the world will instantly fall into great chaos, and there’s an incredibly high chance that hell will break loose. Especially the hyumans that had received the affection of the Goddess, there’s the chance that the other races will view them as enemies.” (Hibiki)
“It is certainly true that there’s the chance.” (Makoto)
Or more like, it will definitely turn out that way.
The blessing will be gone, so leaving aside the people that have true strength, most of the hyumans will be facing a hard time.
Also, if the common language disappears, it might turn into a mess, like the Tower of Babel.
They wouldn’t be able to create a big country like now, so the hegemony of the world will probably be changed to another race.
“If you are saying you have a method that will not show a single effect like that to the world, I don’t mind.” (Hibiki)
“Then if there’s an effect like what Senpai has stated?” (Makoto)
“Even if it costs me my life, I will go against it.” (Hibiki)
“…Even if it costs you your life?” (Makoto)
“If there’s someone planning something like that, it would be the same as the demon race; a world-class terrorist. Ruthlessly cornering the people that are living in peace and taking away their lives. It is enough to call it pure evil. The ones facing the most damage would be the hyumans, but the demi-humans will also be involved with no exception.” (Hibiki)
“Terrorist. The demons are a different race, they possess a country, and are opponents that you are fighting in war. Even though you are doing war with them, you call them in that way. Aren’t you a bit too prejudiced?” (Makoto)
Terrorist is a word I didn’t expect.
To call the war with the demons terrorism…
“Yeah. It is like a war brought by the minority that knew that no matter what they tried, they wouldn’t be able to reign supreme against the majority. That’s probably why the Goddess got impatient and called the heroes.” (Hibiki)
“The demon race is the minority?” (Makoto)
I imagine the conflicts and invasions of places like Russia and China.
I remember the words of Zef.
If I remember correctly, he said that the demon race population is at most 1 million or 1.5 million.
If Limia has several millions just like Senpai said, the hyuman population is most likely more than 4 times that.
They are called the four major powers, so I was expecting that though.
So if it’s 50 million, then 200 million?
Two hundred million against a few millions.
If the other demi-humans are added to the equation, would it turn into the ten millions?
The demon race units are originally composed by mixed races.
No, even with that, it would still be an incredibly low number compared to hyumans.
Whichever the case, this is not on the level of war.
Just like Senpai said, this is on the level of a small insurrection.
Even if we take into account that this world counts more the quality than the quantity, it is honestly incredible that the demon race is putting up a good fight.
“If the demon race request of it, it would bring the denial of the Goddess and her retribution…Well, it wouldn’t go so far, but they should at least be able to seek a better treatment. What they are doing is denying the very social system of this world they have been living in.” (Hibiki)
“They could have gone into extinction if they hadn’t done that.” (Makoto)
“You really take the side of demons here.” (Hibiki)
“I have seen something that made me realize just how severe the Goddess’ discrimination was, after all. Then, the actions of the demon race were brought by the need of surviving.” (Makoto)
“Yeah, their raising of an army in this occasion was probably something unavoidable.” (Hibiki)
“Then—!” (Makoto)
“That means it is already too late. They had to do something before it turned out that way. To better that scorned environment they had even if for a bit, they should have tried to make the hyumans accept them. With a method aside from taking arms, that is.” (Hibiki)
No way, that’s asking for too much.
Regarding the demon race, it was practically as if the Goddess made the first move telling them to go away and cornered them.
“Isn’t that just asking for too much?” (Makoto)
“I have taken a look at the history of demons and hyumans. Of course, this was from the historical records of hyumans, so there’s most likely bias there though. Just that, there haven’t been much events where the demons have acted in a positive way towards hyumans. And within those small number of people, there’s not a single one that has continued for long.” (Hibiki)
“History. The history between hyumans and demons.” (Makoto)
I only know rough details of it.
“For the demons, hyumans are an overwhelming majority, moreover, it is collected in a single religion, it is also an opponent that has better individual battle power, you know? From the beginning, the choice of fighting was not something sane.” (Hibiki)
“…Right.” (Makoto)
Because of the blessing of the Goddess, the demon race was also being overpowered by hyumans in the magic power side as well, so there was no good part in it.
The more I think about it, the more impressed I am by the demons being able to put up a good fight against the hyumans.
Well, it is not like they have been doing war forever. They were mostly enduring the discrimination and oppression.
“But the demons fought with the hyumans several times, lost, and still, they haven’t changed their way of dealing with things.” (Hibiki)
“…”
“They should have had several opportunities to. The chance to enter within hyumans just like the demi-humans.” (Hibiki)
“Eh?” (Makoto)
“If it were me, that’s what I would do. If it’s a big opponent and I am unable to do anything about it with our power, I would join them and change them from the inside. I would create an opportunity to enter, and then, manage something from there. Isn’t that one of the few choices that the minority has in order to survive?” (Hibiki)
“Are you saying that they should live amidst hyumans as slaves?” (Makoto)
“…Even if it’s a starting line from a slave position, it is possible to crawl their way up. But they took arms to the very end. I don’t have the intention of wiping them all out, but if we don’t corner them to that very limit to show an example, no one would be able to accept it. At the very least, we would have to eliminate the people that are managing their country, their army, and the ones cooperating with them; every one of them.” (Hibiki)
“Accept it, you say. Isn’t that also because of the warped teachings of the Goddess?” (Makoto)
If only she hadn’t tainted this world with her stupid teachings, this wouldn’t have turned out this way.
The existence of that Goddess is the main reason for this problem, so they probably have to confront her at some point in time.
In that case, even if it will somewhat trouble the people that are currently living, isn’t it a lot better to just eliminate that Goddess that has spread this strange way of thinking?
“The warped teachings of the Goddess huh. But that is the religion that all the world follows, you know. Isn’t that the same as having an overwhelming minority taking arms?” (Hibiki)
“Then you are saying that they should resign to their fate? That the teachings of the Goddess can’t be helped, and it also can’t be helped that the demon race is rendered impossible to stand back up? That because they didn’t conform with those conditions quickly and become slaves for the sake of surviving, it can’t be helped that they are receiving a worse treatment than that? Is that what you think, Senpai?” (Makoto)
I am kind of pissed here.
No matter who, if they are being oppressed, they would want to make a complain or two.
To expect those kind of people to calmly look at the situation, think of the future, and find a good way for the race to survive, something like that…who would be able to blame them for being unable to do that?
To be able to act composedly no matter when, that’s not something that anyone could do.
Thinking that way, I unconsciously spoke to Senpai in a harsh tone.
“That’s right.” (Hibiki)
“!!”
It is not like I thought Senpai would make a troubled expression…but I thought she would at least show hesitation.
The instant answer of Senpai blocked my words.
“I said this just a few moments ago but, the demon race and the hyumans are already in a situation where it is already too late. Without a closure for this war, neither of the races will be able to advance. That’s how much hatred is gathered between both sides. Of course, I who has been fighting alongside Limia, am no exception. The Goddess’ teachings, their dependence to her, the discrimination towards demi-humans; all these problems are problems that can only be dealt with after this war is over. This one point is impossible to move or change anymore. No one is able to.” (Hibiki)
“No one…” (Makoto)
Is that true?
If it is the Kuzunoha Company that has a connection with both, wouldn’t it be able to work out somehow?
…No.
Before that, wouldn’t things change a lot if I just had that Bug reflect?
“No one. Even for Makoto, that’s impossible. The hyumans that had their family taken away by demons had their hatred grow inside of themselves, and that hatred becomes the fangs that point towards them. It is the same for the demons that had their family taken away by hyumans. This chain of losses….can’t be erased.” (Hibiki)
Senpai made a pained expression for an instant.
The current Senpai is as cold as ice, and she is speaking with an indifferent expression, so that one instant remained in my mind.
Memories can’t be erased huh.
Rotsgard has become a lot easier to live in, but it is certainly true that it would be hard to erase that memory.
The more there are, the higher the amount of deaths there will be after all.
“Hatred and sadness. It is not something that easily disappears. I…can understand that.” (Makoto)
As I thought, I should do something quick about that Goddess.
Senpai seems to be worried about the later, but in the end, if the Goddess remains, the current state of things won’t change.
I will have to revise my attitude towards Bug.
“The demons who are the minority, are going against the overwhelming majority which are the hyumans, and the Goddess. This revolution that terrorists have raised which the majority of the people in this world didn’t wish for, this madness of a war, I will end it as soon as possible. Makoto-kun, I will say it again. Lend us your power, please.” (Hibiki)
Senpai lowers her head deeply.
But my thoughts won’t change.
Actually, I think that Senpai is over-thinking this in a way too realistic of a manner.
In this world that the Goddess does whatever she wants, I don’t feel like they would be able to change their sense of worth even if they took their time trying.
“…Senpai, I will say it again as well. I refuse.” (Makoto)
“Let me say this frankly, the stance that you Kuzunoha Company are taking can bring advantage to the demon race. The act of providing goods to both sides in a war, is an act of a merchant asking for a death sentence, you know? Is the Kuzunoha Company wishing for war and looking to gain profit from it?” (Hibiki)
“No. I also think that it would be better if the war didn’t exist. Just that, I think that the whole reason for this is that Goddess, and if only we could make her change her way of thinking, there would be as many methods born from it.” (Makoto)
“What do you mean? Even if the Goddess is the cause, what does Makoto-kun plan on doing?” (Hibiki)
“It is not wrong that the policy of the Kuzunoha Company is to welcome anyone that needs it, but…I personally think it would be better to drag down that Goddess once.” (Makoto)
“Drag down the Goddess…” (Hibiki)
Senpai makes a short mutter and turned speechless.
“It is certainly true that the world will fall into a temporal chaos, and it might put a limit to the magic that magicians can use. It might turn into an End of the Century situation between hyumans and demi-humans, but even with that, I think that the best plan is to kick that woman out from the God position she has been lying on.” (Makoto)
“…How?” (Hibiki)
“Well, by force.” (Makoto)
“By force, you say. The opponent is a God you know? Even if, for argument’s sake, you were to overpower her, would you be able to substitute for her?!” (Hibiki)
“Overpower? I don’t know about that, but I don’t intend to become the replacement of her.” (Makoto)
“Then you will simply eliminate a God?” (Hibiki)
Senpai held her head and shook it aimlessly.
No no no, I don’t plan on eliminating her.
I was thinking that it would be fine to just leave her a bit further from half-dead.
I am still alive after all, and the reason why I met with Tomoe and the others was in part because of that Bug.
“No well, she is not the only God out there, so as we do our stuff, a substitute will come, probably.” (Makoto)
“…You speak as if you have met other Gods. Well, I have been brought to a strange place with a shady individual though.” (Hibiki)
“How to say it, I have met with a God-sama that seems to be an acquaintance of that Goddess.” (Makoto)
“…That’s why you are saying that you will be changing that Goddess’ way of thinking by force? Without thinking at all about the repercussions that it can cause.” (Hibiki)
“If something happens, we can just take refuge until things settle down.” (Makoto)
“You are really indifferent at the crisis of hyumans. You don’t discriminate demi-humans, but you discriminate hyumans huh.” (Hibiki)
?!!
No no!
I am not discriminating hyumans.
“I am not discriminating demi-humans or hyumans.” (Makoto)
“…You are seriously saying that. Then this is serious.” (Hibiki)
“What do you mean?” (Makoto)
“From Makoto-kun’s speech and conduct, you are flickering your thoughts that it can’t be helped since the hyumans have done whatever they wanted along with the Goddess.” (Hibiki)
“Well, it is true that the hyumans have done whatever they wanted for so long, right?” (Makoto)
That’s not discrimination, it is the truth.
“Yeah, but to give a cold reception because of that, isn’t that considered discrimination?” (Hibiki)
“Hyumans are the strong ones that overwhelm this world with their numbers. Why would the word discrimination apply for them?” (Makoto)
Isn’t discrimination something done by society’s strong ones over the weak ones?
“And so what?” (Hibiki)
“Eh?”
“Are you saying that even if someone were to discriminate rulers, it wouldn’t be considered discrimination? The gazes that the hyumans direct towards demi-humans is peculiar, but have you noticed? Makoto-kun, at times, you have directed those kind of gazes towards hyumans. Even here, and at Rotsgard as well.” (Hibiki)
“Ugh…” (Makoto)
If she brings out gazes, I can’t say I am conscious of it.
But if I am asked if it is okay to show discriminating actions towards the strong, I would say it is not.
“Hey Makoto-kun, in the structure of this world, you and I are considered outsiders, right? In that case, not taking into account the past history and coming in contact with the hyumans and demi-humans in equal grounds, isn’t that how a person that doesn’t discriminate would act? If there’s a person that’s troubled in front of you, shouldn’t you be stretching out your hand no matter the way that person has been living until now and their social standing? For hyumans, they have done whatever they have wanted, so they should suck it up; for demi-humans, they are pitiful, so help them. Isn’t that what you would call discrimination towards hyumans?” (Hibiki)
“But the hyumans have been utilizing the demi-humans as their servants, and they have been living shouldering this. In the first place, there’s no way I would be able to look at them with eyes like those of a Saint.” (Makoto)
“That’s why. You end up thinking that way because you are thinking with our common sense. This is not Japan, this is a parallel world. In the common sense of this world, hyumans and demi-humans are this way. In the first place, the demon race has picked a fight against that common sense and have brought about a war, you know?” (Hibiki)
“…That’s a mistaken common sense.” (Makoto)
“As a Japanese, that is. Your basis for your cold reception towards hyumans is something that’s natural common sense, and most people would not understand being criticized for it. Even in hyumans, when in situations between other hyumans, where you take out the attitude towards demi-humans and their attachment to beauty, they are people that properly hate discrimination.” (Hibiki)
“Even if you take out things that shouldn’t be taken out, it won’t make me accept it.” (Makoto)
“To change their root cognition, there’s the need for time, which would have to be after the war is over. But if there’s Makoto-kun who wants to do that by force against the Goddess, it would all end up crumbling.” (Hibiki)
“Not really. I might lose, and it is okay for Senpai to just continue doing war. I will be moving with my own thoughts. Even if it’s Senpai, I won’t be affirming everything you say and obeying it.” (Makoto)
“If you were to lose, that would be…” (Hibiki)
Senpai places both arms on the handrail and bends her body.
“…There’s plenty chance for it to happen. Even if she is like that, she is still a God after all.” (Makoto)
Words leaked out from Senpai who had her face hidden, a mutter of expectation for me to lose.
From the conversation until now, I could tell that it would be a pleasant development for her.
I am slightly shocked, but it can’t be helped.
Senpai seems to be entirely against the idea of me fighting the Goddess after all.
Even so, I am practically not thinking about the effects that will bring forth to the world like Senpai said.
I refuse managing a world like this, and I don’t want to become a God either.
Instead of arranging such pointless things, it is much more important to find a method to return to my original world with Tomoe and the others while being able to go back and forth to Asora.
“I can’t imagine you losing.” (Hibiki)
As if resenting me, Senpai turned a sulking face towards me.
“W-Well, thanks.” (Makoto)
“Things like being too far away, the scale being too much, or the numbers being way too many; I know that I can’t do anything about those, but this is the first time I have felt that no matter what I do, I won’t be able to surpass an individual. Even if I went at full power in my current self.” (Hibiki)
The full power of the current Senpai huh.
As I thought, maybe she has obtained some power like that of Sakai.
Even if that’s not the case, there’s definitely something.
“No well, Senpai was also strong, you know. It was like ‘as expected of a hero’.” (Makoto)
“Even though you were not serious at all. Heh~, then, between me and the Demon Lord, who is stronger?” (Hibiki)
“…If I were to fight the Demon Lord, I would be able to answer you.” (Makoto)
“Then, what about Io, White One?” (Hibiki)
“…With that strong attack power, maybe you can win against Io?” (Makoto)
To fight with that person, it would depend on how well you can surpass that regeneration power of his after all.
But if you were to try and go until he is unable to regenerate, it would turn into an incredible endurance battle.
I think there would be the need to finish the fight in one go.
Senpai has faced painful experiences with him, right?
If I remember correctly, she has close to a terrible affinity against him.
But if it’s the current Senpai, she might be able to defeat him.
Thinking about it that way, she is a dangerous one.
Because that means she is stronger than that scary-looking giant.
“Receiving the input of the White One, I feel my confidence strengthening. That guy…is someone I have to win against no matter what, after all.” (Hibiki)
“I see.” (Makoto)
After meeting several times in the battlefield, something like destiny is born, maybe.
I don’t have much of those.
Aside from that Goddess.
“Hm.”
Senpai releases the handrail, and stretches her body upright.
Maybe because of her experience in kendo, Senpai’s posture is good.
“So that means Kuzunoha Company and Raidou are the allies of everyone in trouble, right? Okay, I got it.” (Hibiki)
“Hah?” (Makoto)
I-Is that okay?
That helps me out though.
No matter how much she asks me to cooperate with Limia, I won’t be nodding after all.
“On top of that, I have learned that you are a troublesome person that is fully antagonistic towards the Goddess. Well, about that, I will keep it a secret for you though.” (Hibiki)
“…Thanks.” (Makoto)
“The Goddess probably hasn’t heard of it either after all. With the capital having been raided, leaving aside the blessing and divine protection, there has been practically no reaction from her. What she is thinking is a mystery.” (Hibiki)
No reaction?
In other words, she hasn’t answered the calls of the Church or the heroes?
The attack to the capital…I see, it is around the time when that Goddess met with those Gods.
Did they make some sort of agreement that’s making her unable to move?
I have not been told the details of it, so…
“We have done a strange talk as well, but yeah. Tentatively speaking, I would like to eliminate the influence and distortion of the Goddess, and having you know that is plenty enough for today.” (Hibiki)
“It sounds like you feel it will be in a pretty far future though.” (Makoto)
A long time after we die, that is.
Maybe that’s why I felt Senpai so distant.
The objectives that Senpai shoulders are not things that she always tries to resolve herself.
She resolves them bit by bit, and if it isn’t possible with her, she places that job to the future generation.
“We are a race that can transfer their feelings, you know. By doing that, we are able to turn time into our allies as well. Trying to do everything by yourself in your own era can bring about pointless pain and can distort your objective.” (Hibiki)
“What you have decided to do yourself should be accomplished by oneself. I think that’s something splendid. Time can fade memories, and there’s no assurance that the next generation will hold the same feelings as you after all.” (Makoto)
“So you won’t think about moving as a whole…you won’t believe in this world’s society as you act huh.” (Hibiki)
“Just like how Senpai taught me, in my foundation, there’s most likely some discriminating feelings towards hyumans. I think that’s what it means to understand the words, but being unable to accept it. Even if Senpai tells me to believe in their change, I just can’t. Sorry.” (Makoto)
“…It isn’t something that can be immediately eliminated right after understanding it. It isn’t something you need to apologize for either. From now on, I will be counting on you as a customer of yours, Makoto-kun.” (Hibiki)
“Yes…here as well.” (Makoto)
We look close, but Senpai and I are distant.
I didn’t want to know of it, but I ended up knowing it.
This is different from the disgust I felt towards Tomoki, like a disparity of not wanting something like this to happen.
Senpai accepts the current world of that Goddess.
On top of that, she is trying to tell the world about this sense of discomfort and trying to change it slowly.
She is aware that it will take an enormous amount of time.
Without caring about those kind of things, I am thinking that it is natural for me to want to have the Goddess reflect as soon as possible and have the hyumans and demi-humans enter an equal relationship.
Without caring about how much or how many consequences it might bring.
From this world and this Goddess’ perspective…I probably do look like a fiendish terrorist…
Even so, if I can simply find a method to return to my world in a desirable way, I think I would act.
For the sake of fighting once with the Goddess.
I wonder, if that time comes, will I end up fighting Senpai?
I don’t think a fight against that person and me will come to a conclusion, but if possible, I would want to avoid having Senpai point a sword at me.
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This is a really interesting chapter. Makoto is more or less embracing the RPG role of the “evil god”, wanting to tear apart the system with no regards for the aftermath. Furthermore he has such a harsh view of hyumans, even as we know from the side stories that he is 100% Hyuman himself… I wonder if it is all due to the adventurers he invited to Asora way back when? And then there’s Hibiki, but the disconnect he doesn’t seem to realize is that she knows she is weak. Makoto very much considers being able to take down the goddess as something obtainable, but to someone like Hibiki that is absolutely unfathomable, so all of her plans stem from what she believes can be done, and somehow Makoto is failing to realize how unusual and skewed his perspective of power is (because he is absolutely the dense sort of protagonist).
One thing though. Hibiki mentioned that the demons, when faced with an overwhelming opponent like the Hyuman society, should have subordinated themselves for survival and worked from within to make things more favorable for their race, and Makoto took umbrage at that (understandably from our viewpoint). But… Isn’t that EXACTLY what Saria did? She literally became his slave so as to influence positively towards demonkind in general.
I think in the end, this is all going to go back to his parents as they were discussed in the side story. They’re not only the impetus that depressed the goddess into sleeping for 23 years, but the entire love triangle with the demon is probably equally important to both races and the current war, and I fully expect it to come up elsewhere.
Well the thing with Saria becoming his slave to skew his influence and his favor has 3 factors. First off he isn’t a racist and oppressing their kind like a certain bitch bug goddess. Secondly he has shown good will towards their race (Ignoring he got in a scuffle with them at the capital of Limia) and shows tremendous benefits towards the demons were they to cooperate and trade. Thirdly he is a powerful being that they don’t want to fk with. With all of this it is better to be on the good side of Makoto who would actually help the demons progress and survive in their environment rather than be subservient to the hyumans and their goddess who would enslave or kill them at this point probably.
There’s still a lot of history we aren’t privelaged to. Hibiki brought it up, but she knows her records are biased in account, though there isn’t much she can do about that. And while I don’t believe Makoto to be a racist, he is definitely naive. He has enough power that he can safely do just about anything he wants, which is exactly what he does, but he fails to empathize with everything else that doesn’t have that luxury. Makoto is in a position where his biggest worry is if he can fight a god, but for the 200 million hyumans and 10? Million Demi-hyumans out there they have to worry about a world filled with monsters and difficult to obtain resources as well as the powers of god and nature that they can never hope to refute. And yet here is Makoto who doesn’t have any of those worries at all, whose only real concern is whether or not people will accept his ugliness, and who condemns the majority for not being morally superior and benefitting from the goddess’s status quo.
They will die in spades whichever action he takes, and he doesn’t care because HE can take care of HIMSELF and his OWN PERSONAL WORLD, even though the opponent is a GOD. And if they suffer because they grew up in a world where the rules of society were inherently against his common sense? Well, they can always SUBORDINATE THEMSELVES to him and come begging him for asylum. He’ll help anyone if they come to him, but if you don’t ask he won’t bother to think of you.
Ibm disagree. Makoto is more akin to acting as a neutral party.
Some parallels are Dune and the space traveler faction, Spain and Switzerland and world war 2, the US government before the bombing of Pearl Harbor, or even the UN.
The largest difference is that Makoto can HAVE an effect besides being a world sponsored Peanut Gallery, doesnt have to worry about consensus, nor financial costs.
Hibiki is a fucking racist. Makoto should stop calling her “senpai” already…
Yup knew that Hibiki Bish was one warped realistic fker.
While to a degree I agree with her sentiments of trying to slowly change the system, it goes against most of my standards and believe it would cost too many lives of demi humans and demons and also will probably never work as the root cause of the problem is a bug goddess that made this damnable religion and will probably still enforce it to a degree. Also there is little chance of this actually succeeding in Hibiki’s generation or even after if the root bug problem is there. As Io said this war can truly end if either race is destroyed for the demons because it is a war of revolution for them and it is also a fight against their very extinction. Hibiki sides waaaay too much with the bug goddess and this world’s “common sense”. Also Fk you Hibiki, This is not terrorism you dumb Bitch LOOK UP THE DEFINTION. (For those who don’t know what terrorism means it means the use of violence or force on civilians to promote a political agenda).VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
Not entirely saying Makoto has some flaws here either. As I have said before Makoto is way too young, inexperienced and naïve for this kind of shit and doesn’t think this shit through sometimes. He would kick the goddess ass and while we would remove the root cause of the problem, there would still large spread problems with relations between Hyumans and Demi Humans/ Demons relations mostly in the Hyumans getting their asses severally whooped for the hundreds of years of treating everyone as trash in which to a degree they kind of deserve it but that would not fix those problems. Still I would stand on Makoto’s side as he still stands for his values and tries compromise on a problem rather than give up like bitch did. Is he a little biased against his own race? Yes but he will still probably try to fix the problems afterwards to a degree I think
Both side maybe can become worst outcome but Makoto decision is more better than Hibiki. Ini the end discrimination will not end like Hibiki though and it not solved the problem at all.
wew, that’s alot to process and everyone will be discussing this.
well, for normal person’s perspective, Hibiki’s act and political view is more of “can’t be helped”. Limia and Hyumans is her major benefactors, the one that took care of her after she’s summoned. Given the choice, she will act on behalf of hyuman’s and limia’s interest. The thing she said can be construed as her just cause for doing what she is doing currently. Even discounting personal feelings, there are no reason for Hyumans to start negotiating peace when they are clearly winning. If anything, demons should start it first.
Demons is as she say, is not all good either. Zef can be called extremist in leading the demons to extinction war and the current demon system is autocracy’s wet dream. He’s also suppressing the moderate rebels that want to attempt a dialog with hyumans and goddess by extension. As the rebel says, if its just survival, survival as slaves can count.
And makoto’s method leaves alot to be desired also since he does what can be considered violent revolutions which leaves chaotic aftermath and suffering for all involved. Just check the French Revolution’s aftermath where thousands of people are executed for tacked-up charges in a kangaroo court
This is probably never-ending debates but at least now they laid out their views and communicate with each other rather than spend time speculating (well, mostly Hibiki speculating) and planning or thinking conspiracies
Wow, i need time to digest this chapt.
Anw, thankz for the translation reigokai san.
Thank you again for this nice chapter, I was not expecting this kind of conversation… Hibiki is seems realistic in the sense she knows well she will never be able reach Makoto’s level (lv1 – Tier: God) and knows she is only potent as a politician. She is fully aware she won’t live long enough to see her work come into fruition, she also admit the Goddess is the origin of the oppression against the demons, her personnality, her preaching, but she still side with her. She is clinging to the minuscule hope she will be able to SLOOOOOOOWLY change the hyuman society if she ends the war, but as stated before, with an entity like the Goddess whos life span isn’t comparable with a hyuman, and whos rule is ABSOLUTE for her devotees, how can she hope a second to be able to do anything that would last? What would it be?
>> Hyumans win the war over demons >> Hibiki after slaying thousands of them would say “I will help to create laws to reduce the discrimination against demons! but it will take time and I won’t probably see the end of it in my lifetime!” >> Goddess says “Good job Hibiki but nope, Demons are fugly, they lost the war, no need to bother keeping this minority, let’s exterminate them!” >> what would she be able to say now, dat super politician genius?
As a Hero, she is privilieged like no one else, but all her backup comes from the Kingdom and the Goddess’s blessing, even her admit that fact, and she still plays the card “discriminated minorities should just suck it up, crawl and beg their way out, wait for their oppressors to grow tired of their oppression (ha ha), and above all don’t create any turmoil”. Sorry but her common sense there is still questionnable, as she doesn’t know at all what it means to be discriminated and what it is to be powerless against it. I mean, hell! would she follow follow her suggestion if she were on the side of the 0.5% vs the 99.5%? would she be able to suck it up?
On a bright side we have Makoto who doesn’t care that much about consequences, who only wants to kick some sense into the Bug, why? because he can. I wonder if by overpowering her, he can force a ruling pact on her… I mean, that would be a solution! no need to take her place, no need of her dying, and he can dye his colour on her (no sexual inuendo there :I ) so she can like force a change of mindset on the hyumans via the blessing of her!
Still waiting for the 4th follower here…
when peoples reaction just as you expected and that is entertaining
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Hibiki is going to die either way.
She and the Goddess win, she’ll be either killed or mind charmed by Tomoki.
Makoto wins, she’ll more likely fight him/his servants to the death.
Stupid bitch.
If I could marry this chapter, I would. MC got educated.
the ignoramus Makoto and Realistic Hibiki. Well, although I don’t agree with some of Hibiki’s words I would undoubtedly apply some of it as well.
On the other hand, Makoto’s raging boner towards the Goddess is at an all time high. He doesn’t want the Goddess to remain in charge no matter what. He doesn’t want to take responsibility after booting off the Goddess(which is not surprising considering he doesn’t have/want any responsibility aside from screening applicants for Asora. Teaching is mostly left to Shiki). He doesn’t care whether it would plunge the world into chaos after beating the Goddess of that world. He doesn’t give a flying fuck that by doing that not only the hyumans, it will also affect the demons and demis alike despite Hibiki pointing out some of it. It may not happen a day after the Goddess resign, a year, a decade but the fact that the blessing disappeared during it’s absence would bring about changes in phenomena throughout the world. No God = No Spirits. And despite all that he is set on delivering her just deserts. He probably thinks because World A(Earth) is functioning properly without magic, it is the same logic for World B as well. Because why the fudge not? He is the All-Mighty Makoto loved by other Gods, he would never be wrong. Even if he is, his all-purpose lackies are there to wipe his ass clean.
See. This is the kind of problem you get when you give a spoiled child too much individual liberty on top of unnecessarily too much power. They become a tyrrant which they themselves deny to notice. And would blindly follow their sense of values without bothering to understand others’s. This chapter further strengthened my opinion of him not wanting to be looked down upon(couldn’t find the exact word so…), it’s just like some people in my country, dislikes to be told what to do. If the gov’t or senate tries to pass a bill to suppress unlawful conducts in various cities, they rally, calling it oppression, or taking away their freedom. Those kind of people are high, so full of themselves.
Ofc, Makoto is entitled to his own opinions. And I could’ve cared less in his one-sided revenge. What irked my nerves the most was how easily he decided to deny to take responsibility after flooring the Goddess. I mean wtf. You don’t cook something in the oven and up and leave the next morning. No. You take responsibility for your actions. Or at least until finding someone to take over. He probably thought he’s doing a one-night-stand.
It would probably make it more easier to digest if the Author just said he is the villain instead of making this MC’s identity vague.
Anyway. I’m honestly impressed again at the Author for splendidly using Hibiki as the one to educate the MCs narrow mindedness. Heck, it was even confirmed here that MC is set on returning to Japan. Makes you wonder why he even volunteered himself for the transfer instead of one of his sisters in the first place. This is what I’d call all bark, no bite.
Cheers for the truly stimulating chapter~
(bookmarked for greater justice)
Suzushina, I think you read a different chapter from the rest of us…
No. I just have a different standpoint than most of you. I’m not a Makoto fanatic who blindly believes in him.
Besides, im not telling anyone to accept it. It would be fine to leave my words as wind.
I mean, if you were one of the hyumans, would you hold possitive opinion of him when he said he doesn’t care about the after effects?
If you were a demon, would you worry about living the way you want or surviving?
Or maybe genocide is okay?
Or maybe they werent fit to exist and by some fluke demons were still able to survive?
Or maybe we should have mob rule and/or super-being tyranny?
Dunno. Maybe if we closed our eyes, in a year all those who are allergic to nuts will die and allergies to nuts would no longer exist there after…
Or maybe we kill all non-[fill in blank] and there is no discrimination of type and no inferiority complex of said type.
Therefore genocide is good and we should eliminate non-[fill in the blank].
Ooh! We can go with all sorts of things for [fill in the blank]!
you missed the point here,
Makoto intend to wreck the goddess for personals reasons, and put the world in chaos.
he does care about neither hyumans or demons, he will only trow away any responsibility, hide in asora with the people he care and let the whole world slaughter themselves in a lawless land were only violence rule, and will come back when people settled things by themself.
Not talking about hibiki’s ideology here, but makoto is being selfish and half-assed.
Right. I forgot to mention.
It is such a shame Makoto did not caught on how Hibiki said she got pulled in a diffetent dimension. He only caught the part about her new gained power. Then again, he didn’t react at all for being called “White One”.
Another thing. Makoto is like ORB. Neutral with a capital BULL. If he wanted to, he could make those races co-exist. Which Hibiki is wrong. He can do it if it’s him. He’s already doing it, also can be seen in Devil’s Lake. But he himself doesn’t want to. Because he so mad at the God and refuse to accept anything related to her.
I disagree on this.
Makoto IS being childlish, naive and spoiled. The mayor problem here is that he lacks the complete view of things. He know that defeating the goddess will stop the root of the discrimination, but he doesn’t has the resolve of take the responsability on what happens yet and lacks the insight of how to deal with the crisis it will produce. In short terms, he has a goal, but he hasn’t thought at all of the details at its seems here (Hence is a good thing he’s taking things calmly, because if he attack the goddess now, it will be pure chaos).
What i disagree about is on Hibiki. While she has pointed out Makoto’s ignorance and hypocresy regarding hyumans, her viewpoint is not just naive, but completelly rotten… She may be even worse than Tomoki in that aspect. For her, justice is just one, and everything else is terrorism and evilness, making her way more close minded than Makoto
Hibiki’s viewpoint is more well thought and solid, but also rotten, naive and closed-minded, while Makoto isn’t even thinking about the consecuences. But at least, we have seen Makoto developing in the series (Meeting Shiki has changed him a lot). Nothing that Makoto says or do will change her way of thinking, and that is also because of her charm power, making her self-righteous
Remember the different timelines, if he were not to meet certain of his companions, he would have fail to develop in certain areas, and in the end screwing up in different ways… Depending of who is the 4th companion (Confirmed by Shiva) and what s/he does, Makoto may develop further and open his mind, and even find the ”best” solution.
I think someone or somehow the problem after defeating the bug will resolve itself, since blessings arent given already when you’re born already. And as you can already see, unlike makoto who needs the all powerful encyclopedia, others can still communicate without the blessings though through learning. Looks? Hell… if all are blessed, then there shouldnt be demi-humans and demons lolz, so to hell with that kind of blessing.
The only question we only have is why the demons need to become slaves? Is it because of the parents of Makoto? Quite the deep grudge of the bug if i say so myself if thats reason why it began these war..
Ideally, we would have someone or something that can understand things from a hyumen perspective and politics for the 4th companion. To act like a liaison or a filter for political stuff to prevent it from corrupting Makoto as well as to counter balance the possible influence from Hibiki and Sari who will both try to have Makoto support their own faction. So far we have Tomoe the second in command, Mio the Makoto Fanatic, and Shiki who is head of R&D. Shiki is the only one who Makoto can accurately rely on for political stuff and relative common sense since he was once hyuman, but he is a scientist first and foremost so there will come a time that he will be out of his depth. Tomoe and Mio are ancient monsters that doesn’t care about petty politics of mortals. Like Eva said in Chapter 182, Makoto does not know much about ruling or management so I hope the next contract will be with someone that could teach and guide him on that.
The last part of you comment, you should already know that problem and it wasnt Makoto’s fault why he is sent into that bug world. IT IS THE FAULT OF BUG! So freaking picky only wanting good looking f*rs
She’s the one who didnt made the deals off yknow?
I mean who made the deals off
@Suzu So basically you wall of text boils down to:
1-You have a raging boner of an Axe to grind with how OP MC-chan is. While MC-chan’s heart is in the right place you can just disregard him due to lack of concrete plan (as tho it was as important a priority as the war is to Hibiki, hint: it isn’t, he hasn’t even gotten there yet). You might as well criticise a 7y.o for buying candy with money in which he should be saving to buy a house with.
2-You also have a problem with his freedom, disregarding the Bug’s utter rejection/segregation of MC-chan from her ‘perfect’ gene pool (leading to Moon-bro’s subsequent assistance and blessings to him to act freely in the world) and thus should just fall in line with the rotten policy of ‘beauty above all’ doctrine. I wonder if most readers likes MC-chans that like being looked down on (or is it just you).
3-You also make a criticizing retrospection on MC-chan’s choice to come over to this world when at the time a recall was never even presented as a possibility. All he knew was that is was for the purpose of war from which he can never return. Nice to criticize MC-chan for not wanting to condemn his own siblings to such a fate.
Cheer’s for a truly entertaining ignorant rant
(Bookmarked for ‘Great Justice’)
He wants to return to Japan if he can still go back and forth to Asora, at least that how I interpret it. Besides, the Bug broke the agreement first when she threw Makoto to the Edge of the World and summoned two more people that she has no right summoning.
Makoto agreed to be summoned so his sisters doesn’t get summoned. The Bug threw his resolve out of the window when threw him away and illegally summon 2 other people, so he has no obligation to stay in that world and fight in the war. And it’s made clear in this chapter that the heroes chose to stay in this world, so he no longer has any obligation to them.
And though I agree with you that Makoto should take responsibility after taking down the Bug and become the administrator of that world, I don’t blame him for not wanting to, it’s a big responsibility and there’s a chance that some other Deity will be sent over, so he probably think he’ll cross that bridge when he gets there. If he ever take down the Bug, my money is on the other deities (along with his followers, most of them already worship him after all) making him take over.
While not wanting to take responsability after goddess beatdown, he has a reason to think that way, at least (The other gods mentioned that she may be replaced). So in his logic, that problem isn’t his, as other god will take that role so he doesn’t need to (That’s very shortsighted, but Hey! is not his problem… but that contradicts his viewpoint, that’s why he needs to develop further)
He’s still a kid that’s not so set in his way. So there’s a good chance he can be convinced to take over when he defeat the Bug. And once he made a promise he does have the tendency to keep at it even if he dislike it, unless the other party broke their part of the bargain.
are you reading another WN ora this WN where hibiki is MC ???
the one who spoiled him is makoto follower , makoto himself don’t want get spoiled but follower makoto force him .
if you want blamed makoto being spoiled blame the follower
“He doesn’t want to take responsibility after booting off the Goddess”
If something happens, we can just take refuge until things settle down.” (Makoto)
look dude even makoto don’t take charge god seat he intend to take refuge hyuman in asora
“Ofc, Makoto is entitled to his own opinions. And I could’ve cared less in his one-sided revenge.”
is that hibiki the want who get revenge ??
makoto only want get slap bug and don’t intend to kill her
well maybe you realy reading another WN
note : i’m not makoto fans , i’m in mio fans club xD
I just can’t agree with Hibiki no matter how much i look at it. To say that the Demons should just give up and become slaves and hope one day things will get better for them is a crock load of shit and is asking way too much of one side of the party’s involved, especially considering that the world (i.e. Bug) is already against them as it is. Hibiki’s solution doesn’t take care of the root of the problem which is Bug, as long as this being is in control of what people think, then the Demon’s options will always be slave or death, and since she is immortal, that means this will never change no matter how hard Demons try to “crawl up” from the bottom, i mean fuck that’s what they’re trying to do right now with this war. As tough as it will be for the world if/when it happens, Makoto’s idea i feel is the most right here, maybe he needs to plan a bit harder to soften the blow it will create on the world since he needs to take responsibility for the chaos he’ll instill, but when a part of the body is rotting and making the rest of the body worse for wear, the only solution is to cut it off, there will be pain and suffering while it happens and for a while after, but overall it will make the rest of the body much healthier and better off and would likely take significantly less time to sort through than Hibiki’s method of crawling up from the bottom against an immortal Bug that hates you just because.
‘Tis just a flesh wound, Hibiki.
Two things:
1) Is it possible that Hibiki’s view of having to end a war first as quickly as possible may come from being a person of Japan? The country where the military (if not the civilians) were prepared to fight to the last man, until an act of horrifying power forced them to surrender? (i.e., the war has to end before life can go on?) Also, that when a small force takes on a significantly larger force, loss is the end result?
2) Has anyone made pdfs/epubs of this Tsuki? I’ve only found one, and it hasn’t been updated for 50+ chapters….
You can get everything until the previous arc here:
https://henkanepubs.wordpress.com/tsuki-ga-michibiku-isekai-douchuu/
Thanks a bunch!
It’s fairly likely, though Japan was the victor in one such battle where a smaller force crushed a larger one (the Battle of Tsushima).
But bigger picture-wise, the smaller force won the battle and lost the war.
I mean, there are some potential parallels here:
1. Japan is small country with a large population. One could argue they were fighting for their survival in WWII.
2. It has been argued that the horrors of the atomic bombs may have saved more lives than they took, by ending the war quickly and forcing a surrender.
3. After the war, Japan was occupied and the Allied forced basically tore down the military and governing system.
4. Eventually, Japan recovered and became a world economic power in its own right.
5. Japan does have some….”race issues,” but they could swallow them.
On the other hand, this may not be considering the effects of Communism. Fear of the Red Terror made the allies change/soften a lot of their stances, help the Japanese economy recover. And of course, there was no drive to exterminate Japanese based solely on race.
I’m not saying it’s a perfect analogy, but it could provide a rationale for Hibiki’s way of thinking. (i.e., smaller force needs to surrender, buckle down and work hard, play by the rest of the world’s rules, and eventually become prosperous.)
I have a mixed feeling of senpai. On one hand, I think she’s right that the chain of hate is already far too deep to mend. On the other hand, she’s talking like everything will be solved after the demons are dead. She thinks that all Hyumans are 1 and united while the empire and princess Lily are thinking how to defeat the kingdom after they defeated the demons.
More and more I think that the way Ozymandias’ way of solving the conflict is better: Make a common enemy so that hyumans and demons cooperate. Maybe Makoto can defeat the Goddess, call himself as the messiah of the world, make the hyumans and demons hate him, and make them unite to bring him down while Makoto leisure in Asora.
well the demons already know his power and they already give the policy of ‘DONT FK WITH RAIDOU’
You had me going until messaiah.
Wouldn’t it work better for Makoto to be a Demon God that they can’t defeat? Let them vent their aggression trying to beat him until they’re too tuckered out to fight each other.
thanks for you work
Thanks for the Chapters!
Thanks
First thing i want to say is:
“You f*ing b* of a hero!! If you can see the problems and just accepts it, then you are no different from a hyuman and you say sh*t things that has a hance that it might you ended up with no result of saving the other races. So F* YOU!!”
Second:
Dont ask for the impossible!! If you can’t do it, then dont and dont drag me to your f* ideals you moron! I’d rather be with a woman who’ll use her body just wanting to protect herself than value sh*t loads idealism with no results of saving the others!!
Reading the top first to middle part made spit on that b*@tch!! Yeah, she’s a japanese alright, a type that when she sees a bullied person being bullied by the many, she wont do anything at all, in short a “background character”
Thank you for a great chapter again.
I consider this novel a light novel no longer. Its discussion about politics is a lot heavier than many novels out there. It just brought the dark side of democracy out,and screw it thoroughly. Democracy depend on rules to keep peace between majority and minority, but the rules are established by majority. If majority decide to oppress minority, then legal oppression is ensured. Just like the nationalism at dawn of WW2.
Both Hibiki and Makoto aim to change that, but their means are different. Both know that the BUG is the root of trouble.
Hibiki is a realistic person in a realistic situation, she lacks the power to go against divine. So, she choose to right the wrong slowly from inside, sacrifice most of demon in the process to buy time and opportunity for that. She avoid enmity from current generation and trust that next generations of hyumanity are capable to see the root of trouble and change themselves. And she, maybe have no choice, trust that BUG can accept the change.
Makoto opposite her in every way. He is a fantasy protagonist who (probably, at least now) capable of teach some bug a lesson, know that bug can be forced to accept the change or might just replace it. With this he has an option of occupy the world, give them new rules in his lifetime. He also lack trust in hyumanity to accept the changes. I don’t blame it as discrimination because it is the result of what hyumanity did after all. He still accept hyuman whom abandon the BUG like Rembrandts or Eva, but he have proper reasons to not trust most of hyumanity in this case. His plan also include sacrifice some hyumen in chaos, with he deem as justice for oppressors.
If Makoto is not around I would join Hibiki, cause I think that is the best thing someone can do with his/her power. Even though chance of success are so low but it is better than do nothing. To believe that the BUG can accept it, that just show how desperate they are. Even I hate her thinking that demons are to blame for not accepting their fates, I still thinking that her plan is worth trying, cause no one else can do it or capable to do it.
But with Makoto there, and she know his capability, I think it’s time for her to yield and join his cause if she acts for sake of the world, cause his plan is more plausible. Right now she refused to sacrifice hyuman for Makoto plan but rather want to fight and win the war which will cause more casualties for both sides. This is plain hatred and stupidity. I liked her so far and don’t think of her as control freaks, now my faith in her was shaken. She are truly the hyuman hero now, not an outsider anymore.
It isnt dark at all. It does have the sone readers realize there arent “perfect” solutions to everything. Also, through Hibiki, that some things that appear “to be the best solution” may not be the cleanest nor assured and risk adverse onesided.
Through Makoto you can see a “show through example” but no one else appreciates it.
Thats the great part about reading. You can draw parallels to so many things, deep and shallow. Look at Star Wars. Is it a family story? Equality fight? Political messages? Or we can just enjoy the show for its fighting and it becomes a simple action flick.
Yes, it isn’t dark at all. It just bring up an example when flaws of political model are exposed, a great job for literature. Though rarely from light novel, I admitted that it not unheard of. It seem like I have some discrimination for LN, my bad.
I also reminded that Hibiki was warned by Waterfall that Makoto and BUG battle might spell doom on the world. That might be a very good reason why she stand firmly against his method.
But I still believe that she is unbelievable stupid to believe that hyuman and BUG will change, especially if they win the war. Just what is religion in her eyes? Even with status of hero, so far she can only find a boy as her ally, then he was betray her causes. How would she think she can bend hyumanity from discrimination?
Well, there are time when LN does surprise us, I actually read them becaus as their name suggest they are a really ligth read. For Hibiki we can only interpretate that she is the kind of person that thinks of the most efficent way to do things, I am not aproving of her view in the slavery but her take on the solution she considers an ordely and slow manner batter that a cahotic and rushed one. Of course she is to influenced by the Hyuman mentality that she isn’t noticing in what way it migth be changing her. This I believe is one of the best chapter so far.
Hibiki is such a fool, changes never come from the ones in power, is always the one oppressed that force change.
hope Makoto moves soon.
lol how will hibiki change hyuman views?when hyuman got goddess support and basically the superior race in this world, what she’s saying is just a sweet word, demon race, and basically other race beside hyuman will perish, and what she change is just hyumans view of goddess that she’s not perfect and hyuman need to think for them self.
no wonder the demon race can defeat hyuman when the goddess a sleep. with that number hyuman that demon kill they can level up a lot. hyuman is like ATM exp without the goddesss blessing
not really, they can fight back because they utilize everything that they can get to, like Tactics, Magic Research, Magic nullification, training hard, etc. While the hyuman mostly only care about blessing and beauty of the Bug, only a small faction of them truely sought power by searching tactics, magic research, etc.
remember that level is not everything there’s a flaw in the system that damn pervert ROOT make, heck Makoto lv 1 and he’s GOD-tier power
How dare you stop giving fish! They shouldnt learn how to go fishing, you need to keep the hymabs fish!
Shame on the demons for learning now to fish…
It’s like some old RPG where you won’t get EXP if you defeated an enemy that’s way weaker than you.
hibiki’s train of thought basically is on the lines of “every american country would have become a republic in 100-200 years, so Washington, Bolivar and that argentinian guy that nobody remembers where blood-rotten bastards”
Which certainly is true, that would have been the “best solution”, but that also means “this is gonna end by the time of your grand grand grand grand childrens, so s**k it and stay as a 3rd rate citizen for the rest of your life”
in other words between hibiki and makoto. Hibiki is the naivest one, more than a snake she’s an idealist “there’s war in the mid-east? let’s give them two options, slavery or we’ll blow them all up. Problem solved”
This naivety, and the fact that she has the means to expand it as a cancer. Makes Hibiki the worst scumbag and the most dangerous character on the whole WN.
Both Makoto and Hibiki are not exactly in the right, but they are not in the wrong too. There’s never a right answer in solving human problem.
But if I had to pick, i’d pick Makoto’s side of argument.
Both argument are leading to the lost of one side to another, but I cannot consent to her argument at all.
Let’s just says her opinion seems like the opinion of those colonists who invade the lands of others – no, it’s exactly the same! In fact the goddess are not the actual god that create the world, she just came there and create new species the hyuman. After the demons and other races became the minority, they were expel from their rights to live after hyuman gain controls of the world as the goddess followers. And when they tried to take back what’s right for them they are considered terrorists? Aren’t that not a behaviors and a speech of colonists? Which sides are actually terrorist i think.
I feel this way because my country was once… No, several times being invaded by other countries. There were many heroes of my country that fought with those colonist but then being labeled as ‘pirate’, ‘degenerate’, or ‘terrorist’.
So yeah, i’m taking Makoto’s side.
In under whatever the reason or logic, I think it not right to take others freedom, it would be a different story if the person consent to it, like we decide to limiting our freedom by following the rules, we know it’s a necessity and we know it was created for greater good.
Okay now Hibiki says the common sense of japan and this world are totally different, now you bitch, who decide that ?
Are you are so great now that you decide the rules of nature ?
Are goddess are that great that she can rob demon race freedom ?
Sadly the answer is only her decide that rules and she intends to enforce it to others, against their will.
Both are young, both are immature, I’m not saying Makoto is wise in his thinking, he should learn more about planning from Shiki.
But Hibiki are twisted, oh wait I can even say she is selfish, her way of thinking “must” be accepted by others, leaving no leeway for arguments or even bargaining.
I hate Hibiki even more after this chapter.
I wonder if Tomoki never get those eyes, would he do the same thing as Hibiki does ? Or he will do things Makoto way with underpowered specs ?
i think hibiki is right in an is some way. and that way of thinking have created change, people like martin Martin Luther King Jr and Mahatma Gandhi create major change in the mind set of people for the good of their society, through Peace-full social and political movement. trying to enforce change by order it wont work.
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this chapter show us 2 different ways of thinking the realistic in hibiki and the wishful in makoto. and this way of expressing hin self show us that makoto is still a child.
“Hyumans are the strong ones that overwhelm this world with their numbers. Why would the word discrimination apply for them?” and “But the hyumans have been utilizing the demi-humans as their servants, and they have been living shouldering this. In the first place, there’s no way I would be able to look at them with eyes like those of a Saint.”
people remember discrimination can work both ways.
you cant judge some one who doesn’t know any-better.
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by the way the discussion also make me remember the Anthropology course i took last year.
if you wanna know i am a Professional historian
Cultural relativism: an individual’s beliefs and activities should be understood by others from the perspective of that individual’s own culture
Ethnocentrism: judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one’s own culture.
“people remember discrimination can work both ways”
“you cant judge some one who doesn’t know any-better”
agree,and makoto still indeed a child,but i don’t think the way hibiki thinks is realistic,not even close..at least for that world,what she didn’t realized is the hatred endorsed by the goddess that sparks the war,in a sense you could say the war there is not about freedom for the demi hyuman,its all about survival of an entire species for the demons..what the hyuman+goddess were doing is a freaking genocide (in a way)..
sadly both makoto and hibiki failed to comprehend the demon-hyuman conflicts instead both concentrate on the demi hyuman discrimination…solve the war and the problems with the demis will naturally solved as they were considered as some sort of an attachment to the demons.
enforcing change by peaceful means in that world will not going to work like ever,there is this factor,the goddess remember?,and people with powers that tbh i couldn’t even imagine.
you will need modern wisdom from a wise experienced modern people for that to work.but there are only 3 ppl from modern world and all of them are delusional teenager.
and
makoto is wrong very very wrong,the “heroes” wont be there if the hyuman were winning,the hyumans were losing the war.
It isnt “dehumanizing” so much as nm”not seen as a human people”.
If we substitute white for hyman, nom-white for demon and mixed for demi-human, you have a huge amount of european history. Or a more general one, one of us for hyman, outsider for demon, mix-blood for demi-human, it can be applied to even more cultures because… thats how pieces in the many cultures view things.
Hymans -> humans
Demons -> aliens
Demi-humans -> ?? Zerg protoss hybird critter?
Kewl! Hire me!
The most dangerous may be those who force change on others. Hibiki is more active inforcing changes on others. It is like religion and institutions forcing change.
But it does force a change through domination. And then she believes is that there can be changes within those institutions and religion ( how many wars were started? Solution was war, annhilation, suppression, or escape to other lands) good luck on those changes.
Makotos is more leaning towards practice. But he also wants to go after “big brother”. (With help from relatives of big brother…)
But there is no cultural changes. He is without realizing doing the equivalent of chopping off all the arms of humans if he eliminates or Neutralizes the goddess. And then… the demons dominate the world and we get another summoned heroes story?
Does that mean in all the other summoned stories, the humans could be the minority rebelling against the majority? It sounds like the Rebels are fighting the Empire! Star Wars has Darth Vader in Hibiki! And… Makoto gets demoted to Boba Fett?
Replace hyuman in his statement and add whites/males then you have the same things some idiots says about discrimination against whites/males. They consider that since they are in charge (lol) and majority they can’t be discriminated against.
“You are really indifferent at the crisis of hyumans. You don’t discriminate demi-humans, but you discriminate hyumans huh.”
ouch makoto…that’s a nail on the head…it’s like yellow people seeing all white people was bad because some of them oppresed some black people(just an example).this converstation was hilarious and reminding us that they just a teen desperately talking politics and also rather than trying to find solution, they just want to satisfy their grudge…
comparing the two as far as logic goes hibiki way was more realistic but because her view was warped it will fall eventually.
makoto on the other hand was morally right in the surface…but actually he not really care either side that much…just like people watching war on television he can rooting any side he want as long he’s not affected.
Its different perspectives. Hibiki never got harsh treatment from the goddess or hymans. It is notable that she has done research, it doesnt mean she didnt use the research solely to justify her actions,
In the US, their was a belief that blacks were not as smart as white. According to the research, this was true in both the north east coast and south east coast of the US in the 1920s. The research does show this!
However, if you compare the northern black results to the southern white results, the northern blacks were smarter by a large margin. If you checked the questions, youd realize that the questions were better answered by north east state populations that any other area. If the demofraphics were reviewed more, poor whites scored the same as poor blacks and worsw than non-poor blacks.
How subjective can things be? Lets not go there…
I think that’s just self-affirming shittily done statistics…
Phew boy. It’s a really tough situation, and I can understand both sides, but I’m afraid that, no matter that happens, this world is dead. Due to Tomoki’s charm magic, which is only going to grow stronger, his death will result in the near or total extinction of the hyuman race. Princess Lily’s plans are already progressing, and even if Tomoko died right now, a whole country goes with him. It won’t be long before he gets to Limia, and the other human cities. He has become the bomb that wipes out humanity, and Lily is the trigger. He still thinks she’s being controlled by him, and that’s going to end up shooting him in the back; literally.
Once the demon race is nearly or completely out of the picture, she’ll use his newly crafted gun to shoot him dead, and every single charmed person dies with him. That’s her plan, after all, extinction of the hyuman and demon race, and the destruction of the goddess. Worrying about post-war isn’t gonna matter when no one is left. And that is definatly how things are going to end up.
Hibiki believe that his idea of co-existence is wrong, but he’s already done it with Asora. There is no future in Hibiki’s plan, but Makoto has a chance. He can stop Tomoki, stop Lily and broker peace between the races. In Hibiki’s own words, power brings trust and respect, and he has all the power. He could simply force them to bring peace, clean up and bring heath to the demon territory, set Kalaneon as neutral territory and ensure the races don’t interact. It’s not pretty, or perfect, but it can calm things down until the bomb is dealt with and a better solution not involving the enslavement or extinction of an enemy.
Makoto will curbstomp the bug and “Kuzonoha Company” will become the central power of the world(That is if makoto will do it but sadly…*sigh).
Wait, was that Lily’s intention?
I honestly don’t remember. She wanted a complete end to all life in that world?
if i remember she just want to watch the world burn as a revenge to the goddess of her mother’s death
Huh…kind of a boring motivation after everything we’ve been discussing.
dont blame me, that’s what i remember about her motive against the Bugdess
true, if makoto makes kaleneon like some kind of U.N with instant nukes as a threat maybe it can forced the condition to a cold war but….makoto…*sigh
i am pissed with the story right now.the way i see this.
hibiki “do not know” nor “understand” the situation in that world..
she “really is” have no idea what she’s talking about,or even realize that what she was doing is a dang freaking genocide dressed as righteous war of liberation non sense, “APPROVED,BACKED and BLESSED” by the goddess herself..she doesn’t even realized that she is the “HERO” (read:weapon of mass destruction) of the goddess
and her mindset and all that talk….even if hibiki use the common sense of earth,how long does it takes for us to forget about discrimination and sh*ts like that?..thousands of years yet here we are with the same exact problem of religious hate,discrimination and genocide still going on everywhere around globe..
and hibiki that fool is hoping to fix that very same problems in that stagnated,primitive,semi medieval world where majority of the people are uneducated brainwashed peasants?,a world plagued with slavery,murder and monsters?.
what a joke.
meanwhile makoto have more information,more resources,competent subordinates and allies,crazy op powers and don’t forget the gods behind him.
and yet ,even with those overwhelming advantages,he is still the same old un-decisive,silly “let us all be friendly”,naive japanese mc,despite all of that “fuck with me and you’re dead” or “discrimination is wrong” attitudes.
if makoto really wanted peace that badly,enough to make him a fool he is right now,why is it so hard for makoto to act like UN peace keeper in that world?,he is op and his followers too,forget about the goddess since the relationship already sour to begin with..nuke a city on hyuman+demon side,give them ultimatum to stop or suffer more casualties and the war will be over real quick..
i mean he turned an army into a freaking lake for G’s sake,what is so hard to turn cities into lakes?.
disappointing..truly disappointing…
makoto probably won’t tell hibiki anything she supposed and ought to know,and hibiki will try to correct makoto with her stupid ideals,as long as she remained clueless of what exactly is going on.
this is going nowhere..really.
both were fools and still fools after all these chapters..hope the story will get better or yet even better if author simply kill hibki for convenience’s sake .
The opposite of me, it gotten more and way interesting these way. His way of thought like; “Don’t bothering me stupid things like War or etc. After bring some senses to ‘bugdess’ then we’ll talk”.
The way I see it, Makoto retain his normal mediocre modern society way of thought on how much he put priority on stuffs.
What you just proposed would unite the world alright – against Makoto. The reason the UN even has a chance of being effective is because the major powers realize that going to war against each other or getting dragged into one by their proxies will be incredibly destructive. The major powers here have not yet realized this point – they still think victory is possible and the best solution. They have to be taken to the brink of the abyss (or at the very least get more tired of death and destruction than killing the opposition) before they agree to peace negotiations with an intermediary. Makoto can’t do this unless he does something outrageous (but not necessarily destructive) on a global scale.
If it’s a grand display of power, I say either a mock battle with Root, or blow up the moon (possibly followed by replacing it with his own.)
Damnit, I finally get my internet back and I still end up late for the party. Still, thanks for the chapter Reigo-senpai.
As I said in that hint last chapter, hatred runs deep.
“Drag down the Goddess…” (Hibiki)
“…How?” (Hibiki)
“Well, by force.” (Makoto)
HAIL MAKOTO THE TRUE OVERLORD!!!
You know, that line… Makoto only said to ‘drag down’ the goddess, but i’ve got the feeling she interprate it as ‘kill’ the goddess.
Man Hibiki.
You need to chill out~
Humans and their own assumptions~
Well since he said that he IS “Dragging down” the goddess, which is nearly impossible to their point of view, Hibiki could actually interpret it as killing the goddess…….
Wait actually doesn’t it feel like a part of their conversation was misaligned
Ah…
Makoto – planned to make the goddess reflect on her actions
Hibiki – thought that he would kill the goddess which would cause consequences
But Makoto didn’t truly specify whether he would kill the goddess at all~
*Screams from a major headache*
Ah….this conversation of their is a major pain in the a*s
That moment was hilarious.
I can already imagine Makoto having an “obviously, right?” look and tone as he answers.
He should so side with the demons. I hate her way of thinking.
No wonder I think Makoto is incompetent. He believes in social justice.
Discrimination = power + privilege.
He’s a hypocrite and a fool.
But at least he’s having some character development now. And at least he’s smart enough to know that Japan isn’t the only country on Earth.
Now I wonder if he still believes in the nonsense about guns.
Okay first off he does not believe in social justice I think, he believes in equality and standard human rights like any other person who came from a modern country like Japan. Like literally have you been reading this shit? Ending slavery and oppression of demi humans and demons and removing the bug problem is his goals. I have seen no SJW shit from him. While he is foolish that could be accounted for being young and thrown into this situation.
He literally said it’s ok to discriminate people if you are oppressed.
Aside from his word is the same as the excuse some people make regarding whites and males that since they in control(lol) they can’t be discriminated against.
So it is not okay to sterotype people? It may be better to look at it as “they prejudge people” or “stereotype people” rather than discriminate.
If all the dogs you meet are nice, a stereotype that dogs are nice can occur, even if there are mean ones.
In context, if you see humans abuse horses numerous times, could you stereotype humans as horse abusers?
Lets remember never in the story have demons or demi hymans been looked as equals by hymans. Rather, they have been looked down upon, like the chinese towards the nonchinese centuries ago or the europeans towards africana.
But it does not mean any stereotypes are true. Many of those views were notnchanged from interal reformation but from foreign or financial forces.
The thing is, stereotyping in itself isn’t bad. Because as human beings, we need to make assumptions to maximize the success of interacting with others.
I see a lot of girls that like this feminine item. This person I want to please is also a girl, therefore the chances of her liking this same item is higher and I should get it(assuming I don’t have any information to the contrary). It’s an asset just as much as it is a source of problems, and I feel like we should give it at least a little credit for when it does something right.
Actually, I think it’s called prototyping at that point. I’m not sure.
Oh and i forgot. Slaves are not allowed to resent slave owners. It is discriminating…
I see that he’s a fool in that sense (he lacks a lot of experience, his view is biased and he’s not thinking about the consequences), but not an hypocrite, may you explain that?
He thinks that way because he has seen how rotten the hyumans can be, and how far the discrimination can go (yet he doesn’t trust the demons enough to go to the Demon Lord Makoto route).
The privilege in the hyumans comes totally from the Goddess, and great part of the power comes from her too.
If Hyumans could go that far and get that many numbers was because the goddess gave the hyumans a LOT of power while nerfing the demons, and that’s why the demons started invading after she went to sleep (thanks to Makoto’s parents), as the hyumans had no longer the blessing of the goddess, it was a chance for the demons. What happened? The demons destroyed a country, and defeating the hyumans many times (mostly because their intelligence)
Hibiki isn’t taking account of that part; without the goddess, the privilege and most part of the power of the hyumans is gone (In fact the heroes are helping a LOT, being that part of the influence of hers). And while that can be seen as terrorism by hyumans, for the demons it’s not terrorism, it’s revolution from the oppressed (because they HAVE chance of winning).
Demons HAVE chance of winning and ruling over the hyumans, and Hibiki is turning a blind eye of that (She wants to close the war dooming the demons to either slavery or extintion), so asking Makoto to help her for that is IMO hypocrite, as she’s just going by her own sense of justice for her own convenience (That can be also because she doesn’t know the full story, but that doesn’t justify her viewpoint)
both of them are hypocrites
He is and that’s why I like this novel’s protagonist and its character so much
What
Having read your 2nd comment i realized why you called him an hypocrite (Because he’s giving a cold reception to the hyumans after whatever it happens with the goddess).
In that standard, he is an hypocrite, but at least that’s because he hasn’t realized how he treats the hyumans (He didn’t realized he’s being distant to the hyumans, and that was pointed out by the conversation of Shiki and Tomoe), since he THINKS he’s treating them equally.
The difference is, he’s treating the hyumans like that way because even in the chance fight goes down with the goddess, at least he can protect hyumans, demi-humans and demons (he actually has the power to protect them all in Asora). And while that may do more hurt to the hyumans due to the anarchy produced, at that that won’t make the hyuman suffer the same fate the demons are risking (slavery and extintion). While Hibiki’s hypocresy WILL bring one side to the assured destruction.
While Makoto is being an hypocrite (due to him not thinking about the consequences for the hyuman side), his path hasn’t been set on stone (He wants to destroy the goddess to ensure that this kind of discrimination stops), and when he develop further he may have a clear viewpoint about hyumans. Tl;dr his hypocresy comes from his lack of a clear viewpoint about the hyumanity.
Lack of realization doesn’t excuse him of it.
Of course it doesnt. But as i said, he hasn’t set his path completely unlike Hibiki or the others ”him”. IMO his viewpoint of how to deal with the situation is the most realistic (Bring down the goddess, since she’s the one who created all this mess), but the problem is the execution.
The hypocresy of him will be probably gone once that has been resolved (He’s in the middle of a character development at this moment), so it will depend of the author of ”how” he will develop… But at this moment, he knows how to stop the actual situation, but his lack of resolve (to deal with the consecuences), maturity (if you like to call it like that) and general view of the conflict (due to his lack of empathy to the hyumans), is what’s making him so incompetent and childlish.
The good thing of that is as he’s developing his viewpoint, that can be corrected. Unlike Hibiki, who’s viewpoint is totally set on stone. While her ideal seems more realistic on paper, is basically saying ”let’s hope for the best” after the war ended, and if you know more about the goddess, the hyumans and Gritonia, that’s WAY more naive than Makoto.
-If the goddess is there, the discrimination will continue, even if she let it be, her mindset being applied in the future is just luck. And even if that happens, it may be too late.
-Due to the influence of the nobles and church, even after Hibiki do all that she could do is unlikely that they would let the status quo be broken (Why would they? If demons and demi-humans are discriminated they only got more power, and also gives a good way to make people behave as they want, just see the Medieval Period and America’s conquest, and how much power the church still have thanks to that).
-She has totally forgotten how much greed of power Gritonia has, and it’s clear than a war between hyumans will start if they won agaisnt demons… that is, if Tomoki’s power doesn’t destroy everything in the way or Hibiki dies in the way, as happened in one of the side timelines.
In short, Makoto viewpoint is extremely incomplete and childlish, but he can develop (remember that his viewpoint used to be worse, until he met Shiki, so he has a LOT of chances to reach a better decision in the future). Remember that he HAVE the power to do a radical change, and he HAVE the potential to develop his viewpoint (If he were to attack the goddess now, it will be chaos, so it’s a good thing he’s taking things calmly at this moment).
And Hibiki’s viewpoint, is way more complete and well thought than his, but also way more idealistic and naive. Ending the war does not mean ending the conflict (it can make it even worse).
Out of curiosity, just what do you think social justice is, and what do you have against it?
Out of curiosity, what do you think social justice is and why do you like it?
Broadly, i guess i would define social justice as the ideal of:
Just and fair treatment of people by law and society, irrespective of their gender, sexuality, race, class, religion or social position. Building, and maintaining, of social safety nets. And the equal and free access to healthcare and education.
As for why i like it?
Largely because i recognice that world is not just, people are not treated fairly, and access to education and healthcare is not equal. But i wish it was, and i am convinced that it can be closer to the ideal if we work to make it so.
Now, having answered your question, may i have the answer to mine?
At least he is hypocrites…….
the “Hibiki” path are going to something much darker than hypocrisy, all I can think is berserk dark ages but with hyuman stand on top.
The stage is set for a large scale battle between the heroes and Makoto. Tomoki, who wants Tomoe and revenge for the beatdown, and Hibiki, who wants to maintain the status quo and reform the world by her unreasonable standards. The heroes are going to get rekt hard, and the major countries backing them are going to get caught in the crossfire as well, at this rate the Demon race will be the only nation left since they had the common sense that they can’t win and to not poke the sleeping Evil God that is Makoto.
See, people don’t give Common Sense enough credit.
It can save you from disasters too. Like an eggshell, it’s an incubator that protects MCs and NPCs alike until they grow enough to defy the world system.
well… its because common-sense-chan got raped too frequently
That’s because she’s a wild girl that’s into that sort of thing. We shouldn’t judge people’s professional credibility by their hobbies.
Waitttttttt!
Objection!
What status quo ? She definitely want to grind demon race to the corner, decimated them so they cannot fight back again…. ever.
The current affair is hyuman is the noblest race and everything else are below them, while it doesn’t mean that much the situation now are not so … dammit what it is called ? So… sad ? The world Hibiki foresaw are horrible, she basically admit that demon race will enter the dark ages of slavery if hyuman should win the war.
There’s a big difference between “below” and “you are now my property”
What I want to say is… that’s not status quo, if only to maintain hyuman superiority Hibiki can just win the war and drive demon back to where they are belong, but no…. she already envisioned something much much horrible.
It’s funny how the water dragon ask Hibiki to be a seal, yet Hibiki keep endorsing Makoto to participate in war in one way or another.
You suppose to be bandaging those egg shell, Hibiki, not crack it open.
Sounds my last attempt at cooking.
what the heck are you cooking !? that needed to be bandage
Well they are “cooking some troubles”
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Okay that came out weird~
@dicky satria
Have you ever heard of chicken in bacon wrapping ? One of the most sinful food in this world, totally not halal though…… but…. it’s good.
@jin by bandage i mean ‘medical bandage’ not ‘food wrapping using other food’ hmm that intrigue me to try chicken wrapped bacon (its fine since im hindu) :3
That’s why she was asking him to participate in a logistical sense – R&D, supply, that kind of thing. Not the same as Kuzonoha annihilating a fortress, but still a big help.
The issue here is Hibiki is a hipacrit. Also biased and naive, uninformed, and emotionally driven. She has a vendetta against Io for killing Nabel. She also has never suffered in life, she was the A++ student who never studied with the limousines and silver spoons. Her sole reason for transferring was literally life is too easy I want a challenge, but not really, tee hee. She is also in the false assumption that the goddess is silent of her free choice, the whole kidnap 2 bystanders means she is in God detention. She also has this weird inferiority complex, starting with being beaten by Calamity Spider, being weaker than Tomoki and now her useless kohai.
Waterfall only agreed with Hibiki’s idea of making a difference from the inside. But whether Hibiki actually listens is out of her control. Also Waterfall is a bit of a hipacrit as the only reason she said no violent methods is because Makoto can and will kick her ass
It’s pissing me off with this bitch’s self-righteous way of thinking. She think this is like real world where after war ended they could reach a contract of settlement or anything good in the future?
She forgot there’s this bug god that will and always will enforcing her “rightful” religion to discriminate other race? See how japs act at the world war, where they rape and enslaving pretty much every place they dominate. If in paralel world where jap won world war, I’m pretty sure that shit would continue even till date because of their way of thinking back then that they are “superior”.
And that’s only a culture’s affecting people. Imagine if there’s an immortal enforcer in the side of majority where that being commands them to rape and enslaving minority for the rest of eternity. There is no salvation towards them, at all.
pfft…. “Discrimination against Hyuman”…if a person with “Humanity” see that World Citizens…. they would think like Makoto…. and she say that while she Discriminate the Demon and Demi-humans… what a joke…. is like tell that Colonialism that Colonize Southeast Asia hundred years ago is “Can’t be helped” situations and struggle for independence is “Idiot” and just accept their fate as “Slaves”? WOW… Just WOW….. congratulations Hibiki…. your way of thinking has different “Rotten” smell from the Bug and Tomoki…. but still Rotten as fuvk ~
I was actually paused for a minute when I reach that paragraph…. my country has 400 years long history to be oppressed, did we mixed and crawled up to good positions? Yes some of us are… the rate is about 1:1.000.000 and I’m not even kidding.
And that 1 in millions choosen people in the end choose revolution for a way out, Hibiki way of thinking are way too optimistic, even more than Makoto, as if she can guarantee her will be carried by her successor, the demon race got to be super lucky not to be treated as cattle after she’s gone.
@jinsan 400 years?, indonesian?
indonesia is about 350 years old, maybe somewhere in europe ? like the industrial revolution
The American Civil War was the bloodiest conflict in my country’s history. Because slavery was the main issue that caused the war, we tend to have a violent knee-jerk reaction to the topic (I believe that something like crime slaves working solely for the government with the convicts working for the freedom they threw away would be an option that’s viable, which honestly isn’t too different from some of America’s prison policies now, but slavery based on race or appearance and being born as a slave makes me sick). I, personally, spent most of my childhood being bullied, and when I struck back, my schools’ ‘zero tolerance policy’ ensured that I was the only one getting punished (The people I fought back against was usually the ones with money, or their parents were teachers. I never even knew, I just wanted them to stop. Wonder how legit that ‘zero tolerance’ thing actually was.). Basically, what Hibiki said pushed almost all of my buttons. I don’t know if she can be redeemed in my eyes after this.
Yeah…the fact is that slavery is probably one of the most sensitive topics for Americans.
I’m no historian, but if I understand correctly, but conditions of slavery were harsher here there than in any other culture out there.
Hibiki…compromised based on a personal bias I doubt she’s even aware of. It’s half infuriating and half just…sad.
They were pretty bad. I was always confused about why the way slaves were treated made me angry, but after I graduated from high school, I actually figured out my feelings on the matter. First off, I can’t ‘de-humanize’ anyone. I doubt I could do it if I was about to kill someone even. I can’t see anyone as ‘merchandise’. Secondly, when I finally did force myself to see them like that, and think in a solely logical way, I couldn’t understand the treatment at all. Why the hell would merchants treat their so called ‘merchandise’ like that? The fact that they’re people makes it worse, but you would think that merchants would make sure the shit they were selling was the highest quality that they could get. Even if it was literal shit they were selling, if they were real merchants, they’d be sure that it was the best shit they could get their hands on, so long as it got them some coin. So why were slaves treated like that? I still don’t know the answer to that. Not sure how I’d go about asking, or who I’d ask, really.
I’ve actually come up with a couple personal thoughts on that matter over the years.
Firstly, we need to get the basic mentality out of the way. Much like the hyumans in this novel, treating others as slaves and tools to get head has already permeated the slave owner’s very way of life. There’s a double standard in which those that are accepted as “humans” are treated with respect and anything less would be treated frowned upon. During the civil war, the south side fought for what they genuinely believed to be their way of life. In short, it’s a sense of entitlement to a right to treat them this way.
That’s all well and (not) good, but now let’s get to the “Why”. In my opinion, this is because treating slaves the way they did WAS the point. Having “goods”, or “tools”, or “livestock”…none of that was the point of owning a slave. They were never merchandise so much as a target to vent to and emotionally gratify themselves with. It was the sense of superiority over another “human-like” being.
“They’re human, yet they’re not. They seem human, but they’re not and we can treat them like lowly animals because we’re above them. They’re merely animals, but we hold them to human standards when they fall short.”
Somehow, being able to think this way was the benefit in itself. Or rather, there’s a human tendency to think exactly in this way. It’s not as legal anymore and nowhere near as acceptable, but we can still see this behavior where people like looking down on others in the various bigots of today.
We have to admit that as a species we like conflict, and to compete. It might be an ingrained instict that we have. We like to feel superiors been over other species or our own brethens, that is the fundamental reason of why things such as slavery, war and other dark aspects of our societies keep on reapiring. At the same time we strive for living in community we don’t like to be alone and understand the power of a community. In resume what I am triying to say is that we are a complex existence.
Personally,the jury’s still out on whether or not we’re actually just insane as a species…
Well we better a DAMN good lawyer cause the evidance is not helping mutch, with the murdering of the one that came to save us and all!!!!!
Sorry, but our lawyer(my optimistic side) sucks. On the bright side, the judge(my impartial side) also sucks, so…
It isnt “dehumanizing” so much as nm”not seen as a human people”.
If we substitute white for hyman, nom-white for demon and mixed for demi-human, you have a huge amount of european history. Or a more general one, one of us for hyman, outsider for demon, mix-blood for demi-human, it can be applied to even more cultures because… thats how pieces in the many cultures view things.
Hymans -> humans
Demons -> aliens
Demi-humans -> ?? Zerg protoss hybird critter?
Ooh a evil thought;
Are the hymans the starcraft equivalent of the zerg? And the goddess the zerg overmind?
Then are demons the protoss? So advanced and evolving their technology?
Ku ku ku…
Yes, I’m indonesian.
350 is the dutch only, you need to add portugese and japan colonization.
But enough about that, we are not talking about history class here 😀
I think slavery is everywhere though ?
Especially with african people, they were literally abducted and imported as merchandise.
What Hibiki did will eventually lead to that, okay let’s say she will be there to prevent it, but it’s all just on paper calculations, she can enforce the rule, she can bestow a punishment, but she cannot erase discrimination with that method.
As law of equivalent states, to have something tou need to give something in return, what will she give for equality? Another civil war ? Or maybe personally save every one of them ?
In my eyes Hibiki become worse and worse character everyday, not only she thinks like KKK now, she even want to enforce it.
Coatl-san, in my eyes, she–Hibiki–already failed.
It’s a classic dialogue between conservatives and revolutionaries. Suck to you if you are on the positions of the oppressed which make any chance to pick side is null and void. You could only curse the bug if you are born as pheasant demon, but in the other hand you will get everything if you are born as privileged hyuman 🙂
Thanks for the chapter! Now it’s starting to get really interesting. I think what makes this issue so complicated is that the best answer would be totally ending the war and integrating the other races, but that discrimination and hatred is so firmly ingrained in both sides it’s impossible.
There are two primary ways to promote change: a slow transition and a sudden shock. Hibiki being the slow change and Makoto supporting the sudden shock. However, to echo many others of the comments, both of their views come from their experiences in this world and their power, with Hibiki losing dear friends and allies to the demons and Makoto facing discrimination personally and that of his subordinates from both the goddess and the hyumans. Besides the whole going back on their word deal, he has had pleasant experiences with the demons. seeing how their whole society is meritocracy (power) based. Hibiki’s power lies in politics, Makoto’s in sheer power and creation. Their views and approaches on the whole matter will always be different, and personally both have flaws and fail to see the whole picture.
And the biggest issue with both sides is there is nearly no guarantee of what will work and who will survive long-term.
So true
I have issues with both of their solutions. For Hibiki, a world with an active and controlling deity that can intervene, will intervene either for or against her plan, so allowing the Goddess to remain is downright detrimental to her goal. Not to mention that she is overestimating her own influence and reach, thinking that her ideals will remain even after her death. While completely forgetting about possible censorship from the Church and the nobles against her cause. For Makoto, he fails to consider the consequences of his actions, as well as the result of what would happen after the Goddess is taken down, and his refusal to take responsibility for them. He just does not care about the world or most of its inhabitants, thinking, “Oh well, there is always Asora…” One of them knows that she lacks true power to change the world and is just basically kicking the can down the road hoping that someone in the future can fix it, while the other one has the power to radically change the world (destroying half the continent, for example) but doesn’t think and refuses to go out of his way to minimize the damages or to take some measure to ensure some peace.
Well, Makoto’s flaw would be solved if the “Kuzonoha Company” will become the central power of the world after defeating the bug…. and the other trash.
Scenario:
After defeating the bug before the world will submerge into chaos, the kuzonoha company will take action to “control” the situation.
Best End: World Domination.
Just break or kill senpia already pls
Makoto need to evolve to Mako-two to do that.
Or it was Mako-three ?
I am sick of her too.
She just wants revenge “kill You”.
An assassin cursing the survival of the target.
Like how It was on Spearman and the black cat
In which Yui was at first:
“Kill you”
Just because she failed to assassinate the protagonist
And where everytime she is being teased
“kill IO” DEMON GENERAL
Thanks 4 the chapter!
Revolutionist VS Reformist huh.
For something like this, reformations wouldn’t work. The Bug’s teachings are too widespread and accepted among the hyumans. Without taking out the root of the problem, reformation will be doomed to fail.
Even if it succeed (though I won’t call it success), the demons would be extinct by then, at least as a people.
Well Makoto did try to pull the “root” of all problem, namely the bug goddess.
In fact that’s the only thing on his mind…. Makoto you dummy…. at least plan a little further, while I don’t like Hibiki at all I think she did have a just opinion on what will happens to the world after the bug fall.
Makoto should just become the king of new world, enforcing equality to all race, change the monarchy system to republic or anything that can make sure they need to cooperate and working with each other, while it won’t going well at first, I think after a decade or so they will be forced to accept each other, then He will step down from the position and let the political leader takes the reins.
Work a little you dummy, you are not kehma from LDM, heck even he did work when he needs to work.
Democracy wouldn’t work in a society like this. The difference in numbers is too great. Hyumans would just force their opinions on the other races. The Hyumans need to be reeducated first.
Democracy is a governing system that ensure the government answer to the majority. Guess who are the majority?
I need more lesson about this “Revolution and Reformation” stuff….Oshiete, Pheonix-sensei!!!
The long version you can read in books and the web. The short version is:
Revolution is usually short and dirty with high casualty counts.
Reformation is usually long and relatively clean with low casualty count, in the short run.
Some may not agree to this definition, but that’s the best I can do without resorting to writing a multipage essay.
For me, reformation is usually better, but here we have the BUG. Any attempt to reeducate the hyumans will fail if she’s still around because any change in the hyuman’s value system, will be undone by her in sooner or later because she’s immortal.
In this case a messy revolution is much better than a clean reformation.
So to put it simply, revolution is the all-out war path, and reformation is little-to-none war path(?)
It’s like the difference between American Revolutionary War and 1998’s Indonesian Reformation(?)
It is indeed seems impossible for Reformation to happen at this point if the Goddess is still around AND won’t comply to change the hyumans’ value system. Even if she did comply, not all hyumans would agree to it, for there are different types of hyumans, including those who deeply hated the demons.
In the end, there’s a need for a wipe-out anyway…..
whoops I’ve wrote too much. Thank You, Pheonix-sensei! I’ve learned new stuff today~!
Yeah, to be honest, my reaction to Hibiki’s reservations were:
“The state of the world NOW is chaotic, and even after you fix things, it’s going to get turbulent if your reforms ever take meaningful shape.”
From what I know, the 1998 Indonesian Reformation wouldn’t have happened if Suharto’s power base didn’t weaken because of the economic crisis. So, you can liken the Bug to Suharto. She needs to be weaken or taken out before reformation can happen. Like someone else said in the comments in this chapter, Hibiki’s plan can only succeed IF Makoto manage to defeat the Bug.
Wow, the Bug needs to be “Dragged” down nonetheless, by peace or by force.
“Hibiki’s plan can only succeed IF Makoto manage to defeat the Bug.”
This leaves me in a question, why did Hibiki seemed so vexed by the fact that Makoto doesn’t seems like have any chance of losing against Bug?
My guess, like most people, she’s suspicious of people much more powerful than her. Or envious. The Bug is a deity, so she doesn’t count, but Makoto is a human (his hyuman though) like her, so he’s a valid target.
Historically, reforms worked better than revolutions in our world as values changed over the generations.
But then again, we never had to deal with an immortal racist b*tch in charge.
That’s why reformation won’t work here unless the Bug is taken down.
Reforms work depending on size, scale, and effeciency of the population.
A small population can enact changes faster than large one. The larger the change, the longer it takes. How fast the change can be inplemented and understood, the faster it is.
So if a slave plantation owner never changes its mind, there is going to be reform? Or maybe the British and India unequal treatments when the British Empire was around is fundamentally acceptable? Lets remember hymans activitly look down on others and never bothered to develop. They look at the goddess and saw a mandate….
i mean the reform would fail at a fundimental level since the change does not come from the person in power (ie:bug)
Thanks for the chapter Reigokai-san.
Hibiki is suggesting that the demons should be slaves first and wait for them to rise up on their own for who knows how long.
But the bug goddess hated the demons because their ugly.
So what stopping her to give order to the hyumans to kill all demons to extinction? Except for the other gods.
That is if the others know about it.
For Makoto’s case he wants to deal with the root that is the goddess by making her fall down to their level.
It’s just that there is no guarantee that it will work without any problem.
But hey that’s just my opinion. I’m willing to change my mind.
The demons are in no way ugly, just least pretty. Most of the life on fake Earth was made by the goddess, there were existences before she came like Root but the dominant species living in it are her creations. The issue is the goddess has a favoritism towards hyumans and the geography reflects her tastes, paradise in the center with the most pretty and diminishing beauty the farther you are from the center until you reach the wastelands, filled with monsters, Mamonos, demons and the half pretty adventurers
Thank u always for ur great work…
^^…
You know what would be funny? It would be if current Makoto ends up doing all the defining actions of all Alternate Makotos with or without the prerequisite events (not meeting ema, lurking the wasteland, death of comrades, etc).
Do you remember which chapter is the one he killed Hibiki in alternate world?
Not sure about the number, but I think It’s the last one posted in Light Novel Bastion.
Thanks~
Great chapter thanks
I gotta be honest here okay I get that they’re both trying to find the most ideal solution to resolve the problems of the world but I just can’t agree with Hibiki it is clear to me that she has taken a side here with the hyumans because she thinks that the ideal solution is for the demons to just lie down and accept their situation which entails either extinction or generations of unfair slavery just so that things can quickly return to the original status quo of the world because she thinks things can’t change until the war ends and that things will change for the best if before she dies she lays the foundation for change but:
1) the cost for everyone who is not hyuman is just too massive
2) there is no guarantee that the discrimination will ever end because as was stated she has to leave the future up to those who come after her to resolve but they may not have the same view and the instigator of this whole mess namely the goddess will still be there to feed her garbage of a religion to the masses preventing any possible change
Overall while she calls Makoto as irresponsible and discriminatory of hyumans she is by far worse than he is as she doesn’t even put the life and death of the demons in her eyes and her plan is ridiculously flawed whereas Makoto’s idea only has the potential for some problems and will actually treat the root of the issue
Ps. her point calling the demons terrorists was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard its the same as saying that just because someone is a demon they only have the two options of being killed or enslaved and any decision at resistance is deemed as evil
Hibiki hyphocrite just wants to convince makoto her method will somehow work like african- americans slaves but if the demons are 1 mil vs 200 mill hyumans, by the time the war ends demons will encounter food shortage, sickness, forced labor, experiments, and even massive public executions for entertainment, fact of the mater is: demons might not survive long enough for hibiki’s plan to work, by then demons will become a rare animal that needs controlled breeding so they dont go extinct.
thank for the chapter
I don’t know which is sadder, that Hibiki tried to make Makoto abandon his sensibilities of Earth or that Makoto realized he’s the only “normal” one left of the three summoned.
Both…..really…sadly…
What’s more sad is that they have to experience this while they are still young which is where they feel more sensitive to everything……………….
Its also sad how Makoto, would have a hard time to just cut his connection with Hibiki , as he is the reason they we’re abducted and forced to fight in a war that they don’t want.
Though many of us dislike the Bug, she is the one I’m most sad about……..
After all, she is the one at fault, and since we don’t even know much of her point of view, she might just have want to end it all by her being the bad guy.
As for what he did to Makoto from the start, she might have thought of Makoto as the embodiment of her own creations leaving her due to what is happening to her world…..
Na…hibiki is trying to use makoto.
Makoto is trying to exist with hibiki.
I dont think sensibilities of earth even come to play to hibiki. Rather, she exploits anything she can. Fanatism is her desired weapon as per author description. To put it another way, who is more likely to attack the other first? Hibiki or Makoto? But because she doesnt think she can elminate him, she wants to use him. Has Makoto ever come close to thinking like her?
Those population numbers don’t make any sense
I think the same.
Is the world of the goddess at least 2 times bigger than earth?
what a ridiculous medieval society.
The current Earth has 7.1 billion people.
Medieval times had an estimate of 350-400 millions.
This world has 200 million only counting the 4 major powers. And that’s a VERY rough estimate as they don’t actually have a system for it yet.
I don’t know what’s crazy about the numbers and it being twice as big as Earth.
I admit Japanese numbers confuse me though.
Its funny if the bug world is considered having 200M and has a world twice as big as earth is funny. Can i zoom the land of japan? And make me think that population can fit in that place? Lol
actually from the novel illustration all the land : hyuman, wasteland and demon = japan only. demon land = hokkaido, hyuman land = kyushu and waste land is i forgot the name of the island. Bug only rule a small part of this planet.
This world has crazy dangerous everywhere and a land crumbling from war has 50 million to 70 million.
Also ignoring all the minor country’s, one major power annihilation and the fact that the other major country’s, in the current state, has more population(probably), the total amount reach 200 million.
I don’t think the population and lands match.
the fight with the godness is more close . . . . . .
ah!!!!!
i want to learn the next soon!!!!
but i can’t read japanese!!!!!
PD: i’m the 3ª
how strange. . . .
Thanks for the chapter…… so friggin late…….
For the first time I’m getting mad ar Makoto. He should just side with the Mazoku already and beat the shit out of Senpai, as well as cut his relationship for once. I’m tired of his shit of “I hope I don’t fight Senpai…” Do you have a crush on her or something?! Grrr…
Still, thanks for the chapter.
He can’t do that…. even when Hibiki has correct way of thinking of common sense, I think she is far too cold in her judgement.
Makoto in other hand, guided by our value of kindness and equality trying to bring peace that can be achieved without the needs of cold judgment, sure his way is more hard and forceful ones, but when you do have the power to do just that, why won’t you ?
That’s why he staying neutral until thee end.
And that’s why he want to avoid conflict with Hibiki as much as possible, I think he want to avoid staining his hand with her blood.
The scope of Hibiki and Makoto see are far too different, Hibiki choose to build things from a foundation without any concrete image of how things will roll, while Makoto working on the blue print first, while forgetting the basic foundation.
If only they can come together in one big plan , I think the reform plan of this world are not that hard.
Sadly both of them are too young, they believe in their beliefs that they do the right thing, forgetting there’s always an option without the needs to force your will to others.
Hibiki’s scope is just little, compared to makoto with an reality factor attached to him or should i say its already becoming a reality. The reality of having other races take refuge to his place. Then have a bout with the bug and make her fall to her knees. Then just wait for the incoming storm to settle down in that nice own world of his.
You can also look at it as mob rule over the minority.
Another way is status quo vs new order.
Brawn and mandate over inteligence and development.
Elminating the enemy over fighting for survival.
Politician vs activist
There is no good solution and no inbetween road. However do you want drawn out pain or short massive pain? Long term solutions assumes that there will be a push for that goal constantly, with an ultimate end before the success. But what says it cannot revert back to the current status quo? Short term massive pain has collaterral damage but forces certain changes that are undeniable.
I dont like Hibiki’s solution because she assumes that future generations would some day treat non-hymans fairly. They have so far when their lives were saved (mutant outbreak) which isnt going to happen on a massive scale. The existing powers also resented that there is a company doing well with non-hymans, even though it is massively outnumbered by other companies. The church doesnt like how the company has a monopoly on HELPING people with health (potions).
I guess i really dont like hibiki and hope soneone from earth arrives in the future (besides the gods and goddesses)
That’s true. They just do as they wish believing that its the correct thing but who knows if it is not. Also, its not like they are able to get everyone in the world happy. One side must suffer so the other one can rejoice. They want all sides to be cumbaya cumbaya everyone happy but more than an idealized view, they would need to destroy the world once in chaos for decades of them to be not “lots of sides” but one side only.
Of course he can’t fight her. Tsukuyomi already asked Makoto to help otherworlder like him. You wanna go againts another gods when you already had your hand full of bug?
Bro-yomi-sama is his benefactor, he really consider things like promise to his benefactor. Its not like makoto wont fight Bro-yomi-sama just because things could escalate with Makoto fighting the other otherworlder . He though because of him that two more people getting abducted by bugs and he cant stop her that why he ask Makoto to ‘take good care of them’
makoto cant pick side, you know what happened when he pick side right? he already got “dream” when picking side with demons/tomoki/hibiki and they all not good..
no, chapter 3. treating them well, doesn’t mean he can’t fight them.
“I understand your feelings. You already have no connection to your previous world. That’s why I know I have no place to say this to you. I know it but, if you are to meet with those two, please treat them well” (Tsuki)
Don’t think other gods would complain it the buggess were to be beaten the shut out of her.
Do you need to have a crush on someone to not want to fight them? Makoto would simply feel bad for having to fight someone with a connection to his previous world, and who’s talking to him very civilly compared to a lot of people in this world.
If they do come to blows where it’s necessary, you can bet that Makoto would go straight for the headshot.
Lol he beat up Tomoki pretty bad. Also yeah, I bet Makoto would just camp her.
I can ear the crack from the inside and the darkness leaking from his body each time close and close to hatch … And confront the buggess
Hahahaha buggess, nice name. And well, I do think that something else than than Makoto himself is inside him. Maybe someone or something got inside his parents when leaving buggess world and was passed onto him, or maybe Tsukuyomi left something else with Sakai… Well, there are countless possibilities xD (even if Makoto himself is the darkish thing)
One more thought. If hibiki was the hero for a Hyman minority, would her thoughts change? Would she try to “change the demons from within”? The great issue may be that hibiki’s world view is too simplistic and geared solely on hyman benefit. If the “demons are blessed”, does she suddenly go against religion? Hibiki seems biased towards hymans more and more. Her newest power is even derived from them (although it is not hyman-specific, it becomes so because she is effectively declaring all others inferior or that they need to be trodden down upon first (ethnocentric cultures all over))!
Makotos on the other hand does not change no matter who is on the majority, in power, blessed, etc or situational.
Makoto is one thing, but Hibiki is more of “my side must be the one to win” were she the “mazoku hero” or something, she would’ve slaughtered humans right and left since the very beggining.
He doesn’t need to side with the demons to beat her up. And in the first place, he doesn’t want to side with the demons. He wants to beat up the Goddess directly, helping the demons kill the humans doesn’t provide him with any benefits.
Fumu…. I hadn’t think of that. Good point.
just wan’t to say, i dan’t care who was right or wrong about goddes and her world what i care is that bitch saved 2 times by kuzunoha but still plotting something, say something not right about her benefactor, if me who saved her, i think i will chop her neck in instant because i don’t link bitch who never feel thanks
Is Mio allowed to remove an arm now?
i don’t mind, as long as head for makoto to choff lol
Really, this bitch has no shame. Oh makoto, make collar with ‘erase divine protection of goddess’ effect like the demon race’s rings have. Put that collar on her, hand her over to the demon race as a slave so she can realize that her ideal is naive one.
“Improvement isn’t something only Japan does, it is done in the whole planet Earth.”
My respect for Makoto highrocketed after this phrase.
Why is that? I think I’m not getting something with this comment.
I see their methodology similar to Code Geass Lelouch&Suzaku. But the differemce is that the Godess has a position as GOD and could obstruct Hibiki/Suzaku style of view. At that point she would have to have a position where she would have to confront the Goddess with a similar position as the current Makoto… Though Makoto isnt fully thinking things thorough like lelouch, he’s still in the stance… in the end I can’t think of the correct path he should take but I do think Hibiki is right partially…
…you’re right in that there are parallels between the two series…
> improvement is a unique skill from Japan.
The heck is she talking about
Love how Makoto instantly went “wtf?” on that.
Though he’s done it himself
Guys, I was reading some chapters, and I saw some interesting information about the root that talks about a race called Imadai seems to be
“The one that is the most loved by the Goddess after the heroes. It seems to be a well-made Imadai” (Root)
“Imadai… is that an ascended being?” (Tomoe)
“I see, you probably didn’t know. It refers to a special linage of hyumans that can use an element that even the Goddess can’t use. For now, just think of it as the Goddess beginning to put serious effort even when busy. Her being busy is her just deserts though” (Root)
Who knows the fourth servant of Makoto come from that race, I’ll leave the chapter link if you want to take a better look
https://reigokaitranslations.com/2016/07/20/chapter-140-amelia/
Thanks for the chapter Reigokai-sama
Hibiki was corrupted by another world xD thanks for the chapter
No matter what, the goddess needs to be changed, or anything else was for naught.
Or a god that stands in for the demi-humans has to be implemented to restrain the goddesses discriminative love for hyumans.
The way how it works in a pantheon, no god has absolute power to wreck havok in the world.
That’s actually a good idea. Why the Abyss is there only one god in this world? Earth has multiple pantheons to govern it and split the work, so why doesn’t this one have at least two other gods?
I think it’s because there were initially no gods, and then Bug settled down here with a monopoly on the world.
Actually, since it’s implied that she’s a goddess known on earth, it’s very possible she couldn’t play nice with an actual pantheon and was either kicked out or quit in a childish tantrum.
What?! A 180 already?
Man im so late
Btw thanks for the chapter
Not your fault. It’s a great chapter, man.
Makoto could just take a stranglehold over the world and straight up demand that everyone get along, or he nukes them….
All who fight, shall perish!
All who lie, will be found (courtesy of Tomoe)!
And all who agree, may prosper!
he could but he doesn’t want to…
you should totaly check out Gundam 00 ^^ celestial been awaits you
thanks for chapter
can someone make a tally for who they are siding with hehehe just want to see it ^^
I was not very happy with the makoto refusing the idea of being a God, gave a little pain in my heart when he said this 🙁
Give it time and maybe he won’t have a choice.
An extremist of those who have power to change, and a reformist perspective of experiencing the subtleties. In a sense, they’re both right. The issue is whether a total reset or gradual change. Thanks for the chapter.
Thanks for the chapter as always!
so in the end, Makoto wants to go back to his former world? huh……
back.. and forth..
I don’t mind an ending where he would establish a Kuzunoha Company on Earth XD
but seeing his goals right now:
*find a way to go back and forth on Asora and Earth
*give Bugdess a punch
It’s a matter of whether he’s going to succeed or not… We’ll just have to wait and see…
I can see where both of them are coming from, Makoto’s plan will definitely cause chaos and the hyumans will have quite the large casualties, which he should be against. Hibiki’s is a good idea, however it will take time which is the issue, you can’t expect your idea to retain the same values after you are no longer there to push it forward. Time can even change your own values, so Hibiki may not even share the same values later in life, the proof is Hibiki herself someone who grew up in a world that looks down on slavery was actually advocating it as the best option. She is also wrong about the demons being terrorists, they are a country with their own political system fighting another country, that is most definitely a war. The difference in population does not apply because terrorism is the use violence as a means to change political policies, the demons don’t care if the humans change their policies.
Hibiki’s plan is a terrible idea.
Because it:
A: Would not work
and
B: INVOLVES GENOCIDE!
All those conflicts and Makoto can just transport all demon and demi-human to another world like a certain future-god-to-be, and just watch how two hyuman factions will start a new war between themself with two hero who don’t want to lost their profession act like an idiot.
oh satou
You are insane when i saw a few Minutes it was just 50 thoughts……
Thanks for this chapter dude
wow i didn’t think it was possible but this chapter made me hate hibiki more than tomoki (and he’s a raping, mind controlling, cowardly dickhead).
First of all yes makoto has some bias against hyumans which is to be expected based on how he was has and still continues to be seen and judged because of his looks. But at least he doesn’t kill all of them he comes across unlike hibiki. (remember the conversation she had with io where she basically admitted to killing even non combatants).
So she wants change but doesn’t want a lot of people to suffer? SOULUTION: wipe out most of demons and force them into slavery then try to plant an idea of equality that you hope picks up after your death. clap clap clap great plan. Even when she was speaking you can tell she just wants to kill io to avenge naval. Be real she just wants LESS HYUMANS to die and tries to justify it by saying since there are less demons than hyumans we should beat them down. I wonder how she would talk if the hyumans were less? would she make them slaves?
This still doesn’t address the root problem which is the goddess who endorses the belief in hyuman superiority but because she can’t do anything about the goddess she plans to ignore that and says “well goddess doesn’t usually interfere with hyumans that much so i’m sure it would be ok. Also she assumes when makoto wants to beat the goddess it instantly means “he’s going to kill her and take over”. talk about jumping the gun here.
A change or revolution is almost always accompanied by bloodshed which she wants to avoid but it is not realistic at least with makoto’s way of “fight the goddess and forcing change” she seems to be assuming sure there is a lot of deaths but in hibiki’s there would be as well it would just be spread out over generations and may not even work and it would only maybe work assuming the goddess doesn’t interfere at all
Sorry for the long rant just wanted to say that between the two hibiki is being more unrealistic but it is as expected since she has not met the goddess and doesn’t know she only isn’t acting because the other gods collared her.
I remember it’s a first-class hypocrisy. I only talk about the dissimulation of the middle fingers to try a makoto, she also knows that the pieces of the war began a race for power unifying the world while shouting this controlandolo (princess lily). At least makoto, could see that she sees the world differently than he thought. And he does not share at all his way of thinking, unfortunately from this point, he began the plan to return to Makoto to Japan.
Haha! Finally, we’ve hit the point of Makoto’s “discrimination”.
I like this. Now that Makoto’s aware of it, he’ll probably at least think about it a little in all his future decisions. Just as planned, indeed.
I do kinda wish they touched on Hibiki’s own discrimination against demons a little though, but she seems to be trying to be objective enough, and empathizing with demons probably wouldn’t change much.
Hehehe, when i read this chapter i remember about code geass
I’m not too keen with Japan’s history of slavery/discrimination (I don’t know any of it); with my knowledge of the U.S.’s history of slavery/discrimination, I think these two kids have the right train of thought, but in the wrong order. Makoto is right in that changes will have to forcefully be made in order to avoid slavery, but afterwards there will still be discrimination. At this point, a slower implementation of laws to lower the discrimination against demons/demi-humans would be necessary. The main issue is how many people would be willing to support the movement.
Thanks for the chapter!
“The main issue is how many people would be willing to support the movement.”
That’s really a non-issue. If the law exist supporter and non-support would be obeying it either way.
The thing is once the changes is made the masses and the new generation will follow. even if a lot of people complains the changes have been made and nothing they could do would stop the advancement to the liberation/in-discrimination of the other races.
The real problem here is with Hibiki’s slow reform:
Where Hibiki is just waiting for someone else to start that movement,
Thing with that It could have 1000 of years and no one will still start the movement to change the whole view.
If Hibiki is willing to start it, shit wouldn’t be a problem. The shit is she isn’t and she just want the future to change it for her.
From how I see it though she plans to start it after the war and dealing with trashmoki. If she did it now there’ll be infighting which could make hyumanity lose. She is already trying to remove the weaker discrimination within limia by the nobles against the commoners so its not far fetched to think she’ll start the anti discrimination movement for the demi humans and demons after she ends the war
WEW,,,,
makoto being selfish here. its like someone establish rebel army to overthrow country just for fun,,
and thanks for chapter 🙂
Care to enlighten me why he’s selfish? He just state that demon is discriminated,kill and hated and the source of it all is the goddess soo why he’s selfish again?
he want to defeat the goddess but if the goddess die he doesn’t wanna replace her. well, he is not god so its nothing to do with him, i guess
guys, Makoto said he’ll not kill the Goddess Bug out of favor because he did get to meet Tomoe, Mio, and the others because of her.. he mentioned he’ll just leave her err… maimed …
but yeah, Makoto’s being somewhat selfish but at the same time we can’t blame him entirely for acting this way…
Makoto does not want to replace the goddess, and he does not need to.
Because he knows there are other gods who can, and will, take her place if/when necessary.
because makoto isn’t planning anything, he want to take his revenge against the goddess, destroy the goddess system, and run away live peacefully in asora when the world come in a “end of the century ” era, a lawless era where violence predominate.
Thanks for the chapter!
I must say, Hibiki is being rather naive. She wants to slowly change everyone’s common sense over the course of generations, but she is ignoring one big point that blows her whole plan away. That is the goddess herself.
The teachings of the goddess specifically discriminate against the demon race. In fact, even associating with the demon race leads to people being called enemies of hyumanity and of the goddess. Now, her method could work if the goddess either A) didn’t exist or B) didn’t interfere with the world at all or in any obvious manner. However, anyone could feel her blessing just by getting into battle with any monster or demon. With this definitive proof of her existence, then her teachings would hold a lot of weight with the hyumans.
Also, she accuses Makoto of looking at things from a Japanese perspective, but she is doing the very same thing. She is assuming that no one has ever tried what she is trying. Sure, she has read their written histories, but anyone who would have tried would have been branded a traitor and heretic. Thus, the written history would be skewed by the teachings of the goddess.
Actually, the only way her plan can work is if Makoto succeeds in either killing the goddess or making her change the teachings. Without that, she has no hope of succeeding.
One last note, I don’t think that Hibiki is truly working to end the mentioned discrimination. Sure, that is what she says to anyone related to the Kuzunoha company, but she hasn’t said those things to other hyumans. She has taken no actions to even try to get the ball rollling and she uses the war as an excuse. She could have taken the war as an opportunity to try and better people’s perception of demi-hyumans, but she doesn’t even have one in her party nor has she done anything to let them try to show their loyalty to their side.
All in all, Hibiki is a politician. She makes big, idealistic promises that have no hope of seeing fruition in her lifetime. This allows her to make excuses for the short term failures, while leaving the ultimate failure for after she is already dead.
In the first place in that kind of Era History is written by the winners.
What do you mean THAT era? That’s how it’s always been.
History is always written by the winners. That’s the way the world works.
Well said.
Although, while it’s true the war is being used as somewhat of an excuse, Hibiki isn’t wrong that now is not the time for reform. More specifically, the hyumans are gimped enough fighting the demons without civil unrest and potentially civil wars like what happened in the U.S. after abolishing slavery. If Hibiki tries too hard to fix things now and without a plain to maintain stability, she’d be basically handing the war to the demons on a silver platter.
After the war is over, I could see her making feeble attempts at change….which are all promptly undone within 50 years after her death.
Oh, besides that didn’t Luca/Waterfall advised Hibiki about not using Makoto on war? Did Hibiki seriously go against that adivce? Waterfall might have sensed/hunched that something might happen if Makoto got used to the battlefield… *cough* multiple bad-end parallel universes *cough*… Well, Hibiki doesn’t know about that
now that Hibiki said it
I want Makoto to fully support The Demons
and reverse the majority Minority status of both races I wonder if she can still say the same thing?
if the human are in the Minority will still she fight for the Hyumans side and fight like a terrorist like she about the Demons from awhile
I don’t like how hibiki view the world
its like how those in above look down on those who are below them
It’s just occurred to me how screwed hyumans would be if demons had a chance to increase their numbers.
They’re currently outnumbered 100(+ Blessings) to 1 at best, and they’re still kicking butt. What happens when the numbers even out?
That’d be all she wrote. That’s the main thing, what was that stupid ‘golden rule’ that teachers in American elementary schools are always preaching about? The one that absolutely nobody listened to (I say this as someone who was bullied throughout childhood)? ‘Do unto others what you would want done to you’? Yeah, I’m guessing that they don’t bother preaching that shit in Japan, cause Hibiki obviously isn’t considering if she’d want to be a slave for any length of time. Or her children. Or her children’s children. If she did, she wouldn’t be thinking that her plan was viable, especially if she understood how bad off the demons have been.
Kinda derivative and kind of not, but I actually did follow the golden rule pretty closely.
….Except, I followed its natural conclusion even more closely, which was less “do unto others as you want them to do to you” and more… “An eye for an eye”.
@coatl45 i blame kids short attention span.
They hear ‘Do unto others” and then their minds wander of and miss the rest.
If I was Makoto, I would minimize all contact with Hibiki at this point. Unlike Makoto who was average, below average if you factor in his earlier physical weakness, Hibiki was always the winner in life, the top at everything. She is only able to see in a perspective from above because that is all she had known. So it is hypocritical and biased that she is demanding that the those below follow her standards and expectations. And it is also contradicting that she stated that if she has encountered a stronger entity than herself that she would join them and try to reform them, but when confronted with Kuzunoha Company, she is trying to stay below the radar while plotting ways to undermine them and neutralize Makoto.
Oh yeah… she didnt join them.
But are hibiki and makoto enemies? For me they are rivals… thats how i feel.
And i still dont get it why ppl hate hibiki more than tomoki
@Clash royale nerd, Makoto is avoiding conflict because he admired Hibiki and Hibiki is avoiding conflict because she is dimly aware of how eclipsed she is by Makoto in terms of sheer power. That is not a rivalry, that is a Cold War between enemies who can’t get along yet unwilling to fight for personal or practical reasons. And some people hate Hibiki more than Tomoki because Tomoki is an unredeemable moron who will always make the wrong decisions in life and will eventually die like the small fry that he is, in other words, he is an ass who is not worth caring or getting emotional about. Hibiki in the other hand is, was, a semi redeemable moron who is willingly advocating hyumen supremacy and slavery. She is likable and knowledgable enough for us to give a damn, but is making decisions that we, the readers who have a much wider perspective than her of the very world she is occupying, can’t support.
Holy crap. I’ve been struggling to figure out why people can evaluate Tomoki more than Hibiki this whole time.
That’s the comparison I’ve been looking for!
“I was thinking that it would be fine to just leave her a bit further from half-dead.” Yeah!!! I like that idea too…
I didn’t know… why not Makoto, leave with all the demons and demi-hyumans to Asora… this is the best method, and maybe he can obatin the God degree…
Thanks for the chapter…
Yeah, it would be best, but the demons have been pushed too far. Now they don’t care what the price in blood is, they just want to break the hyumans.
Which does disqualify them from Asora. So far, Makoto has only been accepting those who have a hard time, and are willing to leave it all behind for a better life elsewhere.
Hyumans as a whole are disqualified, because they don’t have it particularly hard, nor do they want to leave it behind. The Demons have managed to improve their life considerably, but still do have a though time surviving, but at the same time they’re also not willing to just leave it behind. They have a grudge and won’t be satisfied until it’s settled.
Asora is like the afterlife. You’re supposed to leave the baggage from your previous life behind, before you’re allowed in.
well, even if Hibiki think that world will change in the future if demon turns into slave first, that is if there’s still a ‘Hibiki’ in the future. If not, and the goddess teaching is still the same… Sorry, Hibiki. That will never happen. Even if she looked like she talk logically, it’s still an idealism…no, it’s a gamble.
So, one is unconsciously discriminating hyuman because of their trash root nature, one think about undecided future like it will really work out, and one thinking only with his crotch.
Mass Murder Makoto evolved to World Terrorist Makoto.
pft world terrorist, he’s the Apocalypse Trader
“Hi, I would like to buy one Apocalypse today.”
“Certainly. Meteor, Destroyer, or War?”
“Do you take special orders?”
“Yes, we do, but they cost quite a bit more.”
“That’s fine. I would like annihilation of all life while leaving the rest of the land intact.”
“Ah, clearing up room I see. Is time a factor?”
“It is not.”
“The I recommend this absolute sterility pollen…”
(I took this joke longer than I initially meant to. 😡 )
Hmm. And what would you have sold me if I needed everything cleared within the month?
For thorough destruction, an Eldritch God’s 3-Minute Summoning accompanied by a world-wide telepathy link.
For maximum efficiency but minimal structural damage, a Chain Biocide Spell cast into the atmosphere, then the sea, then the planet core.
Mhmm. Not bad. I assume plagues are recommended for medieval worlds that have overpopulation problems?
Actually, aggression curses and zombie diseases are recommended for those if you want to clear the whole world.
Plagues just don’t do it in terms of thoroughness.
for clearing in one month we suggested plague or virus but it will depends on what kind of environment you wish to still intact
if its all water we suggest the World Flood
if only the land and no living beings we suggest the Flame of Genesis to burn everything to the ground sir
A conflict usually happen when both side are right.
Hibiki wish to change the discrimination against the demi-human but not at the cost of the hyuman’s lives.
Makoto wish to quickly make everyone equal, no matter the ensuring chaos.
I doubt it would end there. I can see the demi-humans being next in-line after the demons are gone. It’s the goddess after all…
Frankly I want Hibiki to die.
Actually, I would be more fascinated by a story in which the author somehow finds a way to keep both heroes alive to the end.
It feels like they both have a ton of death flags already-especially Tomoki, but I’m genuinely curious to see if they can make major changes from their current paths.
This was a good chapter thanx
Im glad hibiki did this if she didnt makoto would not have taken a closer look at his own actions. That said its clear that she is as bias as he is, she cares not for the minority and only wishes for General peace, plus even if she seems like she wishes to end the war its only so she can start another one after we all know gritoria and limia will start fighting as soon as they have they leeway to do so. Makoto seems to side with demons but he truely doesnt care who wins if the goddess is taken care of and hyumans still win he’ll just say thats how it is. He only prefers demi’s and demon because they have not poke his buttons as much and are enemies of his enemy. Ps once he defeats goddes he’ll probally be force to watch the worldby the other gods.
Ths 4 the chapter.
I just really want to see Makoto completely release his power on both heroes.
Thanks for the chapter.
Thanks again
Damnit hibiki….. you said you already know both side of the force but still you discriminate the demon base on the ‘hyuman’ history that been given to you. You’re smart but still not doubting if the history will mostly only praising the hyuman while only show the insurgent of the demon after they given bad treatment from the hyuman when they give you the history document !? you only know the demon through your fight against them and never think about what kind of treatment they get because of the BUG, have you ever encounter demon settlement without killing them !? you tried to convince Makoto to support the hyuman (limia) while they mostly harras him and even send assassin to him while the Limia royalty dont even bother to give punishment to those hopeless, seriously ?
She is doubting history on their persepctive. and knows that the goddess teaching is the core issue
but at this point, she just wants to protect her friends and now avenge her loss.
She’s accepted her internal bias as well.
She just doesn’t care anymore.
thogh i think she is also trying to put specific thoughts into his head. like “the future” and “how the groundwork o this world is” and “this world’s sense of value”
I’m still terribly annoyed at her though.
I think this was the confusing thing for me. I had a hard time picking up what are the things Hibiki said as strategic and what things she said were personal for here. The lines are blurry.
That’s why it’s great though. You can’t tell how much of a character’s motivations are personal and how much are rational.
This would work bettter if half the things hibiki said couldn’t literally be pointed back at her situation vs his situation after being summoned..
he immediately was trashed by the hyumans in various ways and shown the bad side immediately. she wasn’t.
Plus she herself isn’t considering the possibliity of a non war end. Only of winning.
Had she asked, she knows very well, that Makoto could easily bring her and the deamon leader to talk.
likely would not go anywhere of course, which she probably also knows
but she has no want to even remotely attempt it. Since she herself is biased now. Just like he is.
Though she and makoto could probably have convienced a seperation for the deamon race. Everyone not wanting war goes to x spot and is supplied by the kuzonaha company. the ones who want to fight. keep going without supplies.
and then supply neither war potential.
while also maintaining non combative status in the netural zones.
Though had i been makoto i’d have said something like “Well if I’m a bother I’ll be leaving soon enough anyway”
also.. I feel like…. Hibiki didn’t really do a good job of upholding her promise there haha. with the reigns and keeping him out of insanity for the sake of the world..
considering she tried to get him to join.
the onl thing that supported that was him realizing the hyuman bias
Did she actually promise to not involve Makoto in the war, or did she basically listen to Waterfall talk?
I don’t remember, and will probably have to re-read it.
If I remember correctly, she didn’t strictly promise, but she firmly agreed with Waterfall’s opinions and agreed to taken on responsibility of minding the balance of the war.
Besides all that, I don’t think Hibiki was that serious about her request anyway. They both knew Makoto would refuse.
I was also under the impression that she forgot or does not intend to achieve the mission that Waterfall gave her.
Seal him in peace.
We kill the demons, there will be peace.
Try to get Makoto to help kill demons faster.
?????
Profit?
somebody explain to me what just happened. they talked and felt like there was no conclusion
They both told each other their points of view in this world.
hibiki is supporting hyumans, and wants to eventually hopefully change the way they think 9but honestly speaking, I don’t think she’d care in the end if they actually changed as long as she felt like she made theattempt). and wants their help.
He doesn’t want to help and wants to be neutral.
Then they discussed their own biases.
and in the end they settled on the fact that their own respective wants and goals don’t align.
Well, really quickly summarized:
Hibiki asked Makoto to support Limia’s war effort and was refused.
The two of them talked about the problems with this world and the rampant discrimination, including Makoto’s towards hyumans.
The two discussed the solution to the problems, and had philosophical differences on what the best approach would be best.
That’s pretty much it. Most important was probably the last point though, since now Makoto and Hibiki each has a solid idea of where the other stands.
– Hibiki wants makoto to support the hyuman to fastly end the war with the demons and not giving any support to the demons and also give her the fighting power to genocide the demons
– Hibiki wants to reform the society but still indulging in Bug religion teaching while Makoto want to reform the society by defeating the BUG, hope the other gods take her role and also make the BUG apologize to the race of her world
Just adding that her minimum goals is to at least make Makoto doesn’t help demons also with his goods. Helping imporverished demon’s village will lengthen the war process
thanks guys for the replies! my comprehension was not working well today haha
One point that’s confusing for me is if Hibiki saying she aims for an inclusive society is even real at all or is she just saying it to convince Makoto to further her own objectives.
From how I see it it seems like she sees it as a numbers game, with her way the minority suffers for some time and hopefully in the future it gets fixed with enough effort from the next generations to come while in makoto’s way everyone gets hurt but there’s a higher possibility of an equal standing in the future without the bug. Basically she’d rather want the few to suffer than the many even if it is not fair, since she thinks there’ll be less suffering this way hence why she thinks rather than going to war the demons could have become slaves and tried to go up eventually while makoto wants fairness and in that matter he’s rather have it even with the cost of everyone possibly suffering if he tried to “correct” the goddess
I’m glad that Makoto talked about Asora as if he’s their own version of a “Hero” here. After all the discussion in the past few chapters, it’s good to have a reminder that Makoto does have a strong attachment to the country and he might hesitate to go home at least a little for their sake.
Which, from the sounds of things, he actually is. Now that he’s gotten his hands on this “Recall” spell, he’s greedily planning to turn it into a means that lets him move “the way he wants to”, implicitly the to-and-from style of world traveling. Furthermore, he’s at least invested enough in this world to not wanting to go back before punishing Bug at least once.
And we can be reasonable sure he’ll succeed.
We know that gods can move between worlds, and he’s already taken his first major leap in that direction when he used Creation. He went against the laws of the world to create those arms.
If traveling between worlds is also prohibited by similar laws, then he’ll just have to use something along the lines of Creation to break those laws.
*Sniff* *Sniff*
I can already smell the discussions this is going to bring.
I love this chapter~
Hibiki: “Isn’t she only an existence that we met in a mere instant of our short lives?”
Makoto: “A mere instant that changed our WHOLE lives.”
I so wished he would say that. But well, Makoto just hates her trash personality, not the change in itself.
I can FEEL the discussion bubbling up from inside me. There’s so much to go over and it’s all wonderful.
This was a fantastic chapter. Thanks again~
almost forgot, thank you for the chapter ‘ – ‘ )7
I wished he told her,He met her 3 times. that would have probably shut hibiki up. Because she has a notion that they can’t meet the goddess again from the conversation showed here.
More importantly, Makoto should mention the other gods and superior dragons he’s met.
Waterfall helped, but Hibiki is still seriously crippled in the information department, and it shows in her decision making.
I looked at the earlier chapters (way early, before Shiki joined). Most of them didn’t even reach 50 comments. Now usually it’s around 200 comments, tough some chapters broke the 500 comments barrier.
Will one break the 1000 comments barrier? Maybe this one? Or has it already happened and I missed it?
Thanks for the translation
Hmm, I wonder how many chapters there are… One whole chapter just to show Makoto of his own prejudice is a waste.
What are you saying? This chapter is a lot of food for thought. A lot of people seem to love the exploration of ideas, so it’s hardly a waste.
Thanks for the chapter!
Makoto The True Demon Lord? Is that the future that’s in store?
Now it’s confirmed they will be going separate ways.
I can blame Hibiki for her choice, as I can blame Makoto for his absurd decision. One is powerless, and took the path of powerless people. While the other has the power to bring change in a whole and therefore took the shortcut.
Hibiki told Makoto that he’s discriminating against hyuman, but that was quite a hypocritical words as she definitely loathe the demon race. Even those reasons she was spouting sounds like a bullshit. I feel like she was justifying her stance by using the history of both race. You can even see her hesitation when Makoto brought the slave-thing to counter her argument; she simply didn’t think that far.
tl;dr, both are biased to the race they’re supporting. Makoto to the demon and demi (including the other intelligent races), and Hibiki to the hyuman. I said ONLY hyuman, as I haven’t seen her supporting the demi as much as how she supported the hyuman.
Well, at least Makoto is being honest to his hypocrisy, unlike Hibiki. In other word:
I support Makoto.
Period.
While I agree with most of your statement, I think you’re using “hypocrisy” wrong.
If you say “discrimination is wrong” and then discriminate against anyone, that’s hypocrisy.
If you say “don’t discriminate against hyumans” and instead discriminate against demons, that’s NOT hypocrisy. (It is SELF-CENTERED, possibly wrong-minded, maybe immoral, but there is no contradiction.)
For example, imagine a more typical story where Demons ARE actually evil. You obviously favor the humans and you hate the demons.
Honestly, this is a complicated matter and I feel like both sides had their wrongs and rights. I do like the flavor of realism Hibiki is trying to pursue, but her answer was wrong in my opinion.
Makoto too. His stance had a lot of problems that Hibiki was pointing out, and his plan of “punch the Bug” doesn’t really lay a lot of groundwork for damage control. It feels like an invasive procedure that causes massive bleeding as we rip the root of a problem out.
Both sides could use a little more deep thought, but in terms of Right-er and Wrong-er for now, I’m in favor of Makoto.
i feel that there also the fact that Makoto has a lot less to lose at stake. At worst, he died with his closest followers since he will at least close Asora from goddess’s interference or delegate it to other gods while Hibiki stand to lose her benefactors and everyone else she currently have connections to and including the lives of so many people that depends on her. The weigh of the decision is different
As I understood it, Hibiki isn’t really thinking in terms of “Right” or “Wrong” anymore.
She’s focused on finding a workable solution with the minimum damage-which just sort of mean the minority gets the shaft in the game of cold numbers. In a word, she’s compromising.
I doubt it would end there. I can see the demi-humans being next in-line after the demons are gone. It’s the goddess after all…
it’s not really compromising if you don’t lose anything…or at least, it’s not something to be proud or praised about.
you don’t say you compromised when you’re not wiping out an abused race in hate and ‘just’ enslaving them(which actually brings you benefits in free labor and various ‘reliefs’) 😛
the more she plays along with this race war, the more it becomes a race war(note not all demons want war and humans in the wasteland get along with demihumans), the more the race war will be embedded in people’s minds, and the more abuse the loser will get in the end should they not be wiped out. if you calculate based on numbers, then stop the war. put on the brakes to the hate train. stopping it despite being involved and losing someone yourself gives you more legitimacy in convincing people to stop as well. just focus on defense and internal affairs. dont throw the demons back into the freezing cold to corner them again and let them have the fertile territory they conquered. that’s what’s called compromising.
Assuming the population numbers are similar to how HIbiki and Makoto estimated it, the “free labor” of demons is not much. If only what, 1 in 40 hyumans can have a slave on average, that means most people still have to do their own work.
On top of which, as the Demon King said. They avoided creating grudges by wiping out the previous owners of the Demon’s capital. By letting the Demons live, they are allowing grudges to be created. So letting the other side live is actually a very large compromise.
And how is it not already a race war? I don’t think there’s been a demon introduced yet who does not want to kill hyumans (except Sari, maybe?) and hyumans think demi-hyumans and demons are separate races.
I’m curious as to what is your solution for stopping the war quicker? Would that solution work for Israel + Palestine? (Or would that solution be something like Celestial Being: “I don’t care who’s right or wrong. I will kill any aggressors/”)
I’m pretty sure it was mentioned that there were demon adventurers in Tsige or a similar adventurer town that more or less coexisted with hyumans.
Of course, your point still stands because that place is a whole different environment and none of said demons were named characters.
When I say compromising, it’s not really used in a good context.
What I mean is that Hibiki compromises her values from Earth of “equality, no discrimination, no slavery”, and judges “well, there’s no way to convince the hyumans not to be such bigots in this short timeframe, so I’ll have to cast away my old ideals and commit genocide on the demons here for the sake of changing the hyumans in the long term”.
Well, her plan seems to be slightly different than that, but that’s what I generally mean. The well-being of the demons are pretty much given up on by her at this point.
is the reply button gone after a certain level? anyway, wall of texts sorry
@blue
1)about the slave thing, doesn’t matter if not everyone gets a slave, i’m just saying it’s a benefit. actually, it’s more likely they’ll be public/government slaves rather than the common people’s personal slaves. they’ll do farmwork, construction, sex, etc. it doesn’t have to be personal slaves to bring benefits.
2)genocide is the easy and simplest solution, but we’re trying to find a better way aren’t we? and wouldn’t enslaving give more grudges? so you don’t like hibiki’s plan too? hibiki is like a politician with empty promises like monkeyofsloth said in a post, as she’s halfassing her method to only benefit hyumans while pandering with false promises to makoto only(she makes no hint of it at all to other people). there’s definitely going to be another rebellion with her path and that time, and at that time the demons perception would be a lot worse than now if you can even imagine that.
2.5)if the hyuman side went for peace, compromised with letting them keep land, acknowledged that they are not inferior beings then where would the grudges come from? the old grudges will fade with time, and like i said, focus on defense and internal affairs. try hitting someone who’s only weapon is a shield long enough without any results and you’d think they’re sincere in their attempts for peace and will forgive as well. it’s pretty optimistic but the demons are not unreasonable(although hibiki never really tried to talk to them properly). if they are not in such a critical situation, then they will lose the reason and will for war(if you missed it, there was a strong and influential faction in the demon territory that wanted peace and forgiveness from the bug).
3)when makoto visited the demons, a peace faction managed to not only drive the 2 major spirits crazy, but also retrieve a powerful albeit random artifact. there is clearly non negligible support for peace and negotiations in the demon side. it’s enough that rona herself, as a demon general, has to go undercover and be among it’s top positions. on the human side, you see those not in the wasteland mingling with demihumans and demons(not sure if in disguise). while there is antagonism, that’s clearly due to bug’s teachings and influence, once she’s gone, that perception will change. only those directly involved in the war actually see this as a race war. the rest just wants to live in peace, and even those in the war probably want that more than fighting with enough convincing.
4)i dont remember much of what i read from the israel/palestine problem, nor can i be sure of what i read being objectively truthful. part of the problem is religious(or usa) yes? then makoto’s solution ties well here with kicking the bug’s ass as the root problem. i’ve heard the israel is doing what i said about defense and yet still gets attacked on all sides. well what can i say? that just proves the other side is evil and at least you gave them a chance. i dont think demons and demihumans ever had that chance of being looked at equally. they’ve been oppressed from the very beginning. like i said in another post, the hyumans have to be the first to propose peace. the top brass of the demon side don’t seem to be very warmongering, they just see it as the only solution to survive against the stubborn and oppressive hyumans but offer an alternative properly and they don’t seem unlikely to agree. having the 2 sides have reasonable leaders that to a certain extent, respect and trust one another is crucial for peace.
5)in conclusion, the heroes are in the perfect position(they even have mind control and charisma) to drive the hyumans to moderation and peace, while makoto is in the perfect position to mediate and even the demons are not in a hopeless position(reasonable leaders, disciplined army, no racial traits that would impede coexistence). if they just try and execute it sincerely, peace is not as hopeless as people see it.
@Psychronia
so…it’s a compromise between her supposedly good self and the hyumans then? XD hyumans want her to fight for them, and if she wants to keep playing hero for them, she shouldn’t hold any remorse against demons. again, delusional, self righteous and not something to be proud of.
I think Makoto should really make it clear to Hibiki that the happenings of this world do not concern him in the slightest. He seems to not really care about what happens to any of the kingdoms or to the war, he just seems to have a grudge against the goddess. I think a lot of these discussions and conspiracies would be stamped out if they just knew, Makoto only wants revenge on the goddess, and he’ll leave you all alone because he doesn’t really live on the same planet as you.
Thing is, its not considered revenge by Makoto. Its more of wanting to slap someone because she do something wrong, not killing her which is what associated with revenge usually
I once throw a bucket of water at that sister. A while later she came back and threw a bucket of water at me. That was revenge.
*my sister
Hibiki has already figured that out.
Hibiki supports the white man! Reeeeeeeeeeee
But in all seriousness, Hibiki doesn’t really view demonkin and demi-humans as people. While Makoto has a subconscious dislike of hyumans he still views them as people.
And I have to agree with Makoto’s beliefs.
“What you have decided to do yourself should be accomplished by oneself. I think that’s something splendid. Time can fade memories, and there’s no assurance that the next generation will hold the same feelings as you after all.” (Makoto)
Thanks for the chapter. Man, Hibiki trying to convince Makoto was kind of disappointing. Makoto had the right idea, the main problem of that world is the Goddess. Hibiki will not trying to confront the main problem because she is scared and she is trying to take the easy way out. But I like how she point the idea in Makoto about what will happen if he defeats the Goddess. Now Makoto might find some form of a solution to deal with this when the time comes. The author did good job on this chapter.
See, everyone keeps saying Hibiki is taking the “easy” way out.
The problem is that there is no “easy” or “hard” way for Hibiki. She CAN’T beat Bug.
Makoto’s solution can only be done by Makoto.
I know but she help in some way to take down the Goddess. Even if it is small.
it is somewhat of the easy way out though XD of course easiest is the current tomoki way of fuck everything…literally. but while she is supposedly trying to change hyuman society for the better, she’s half-assing it on behalf of the non-hyumans. she doesn’t want to deal with peace negotiations unless it’s after a thorough beatdown of the demons. she reinforces people’s beliefs in hyuman supremacy and stubbornness about it by not speaking up about it. she thinks the demons are doomed now that the goddess is awake and even summoned heroes. she thinks her victory in WAR is difficult but is inevitable. she doesn’t take a step back and think maybe the war can end right now…if the hyumans sue for peace. the demons wont certainly do it, they fought for survival, surrender is death. it’s the hyumans that should make the first approach for peace, and rather than see the recent heavy blows as fuel for anger and revenge…see it as proof…that the demons are doing great in this war despite their so called inferiority and disadvantages…that maybe…they shouldn’t be looked down on so much? she’s smart, she should’ve known the biggest weakness of the demon’s will in this war is to not corner them, but she still chose the less troublesome way of just beating the enemy.
To begin with, even for Makoto, the “F*ck it. Kill the god!” option is kinda the easy way, isn’t it? How many times have people wanted characters to act without restraint like that?
Figuring out the best solution, establishing a system for the world to function under…that sounds like a pretty hard way too.
To have “peace negotiations,” BOTH sides need to at least be tired of fighting.
Neither side wants peace.
There are not justifications to start it from Hyuman’s side for now since they are still winning. If they want a peace negotiation now, the demons needs to start the process and under hyuman’s terms. Tbh, they will have alot more leverage if they start it now since they still some spare powers rather than after beaten black-and-blue by hyumans which in that case, its not peace negotiation anymore, its surrender
@blue
…you can have peace despite not being tired of fighting…if you’re reasonable at least. and how can you say neither side wants peace? that’s the goal. hyumans want to live peacefully as the superior species…change that way of thinking by cutting out the superior part or redefining it with good and forgiving morals then you’ve got want for peace. demons/demihumans want to live peacefully in a not barren wasteland and not be treated like 2nd rate trash….that’s not exactly hard to give unless you’re an asshole right? take out the arrogance from the hyumans. take out the need for survival for the demons. oh look what we have, a pointless grudge war that maybe they can stop now if one of them sincerely backs down and the other follows?
@pyschronia
haha it’s easy because he’s lucky he has an easy powerup method with very competent friends/subordinates. telling off god is usually not the ‘easy’ choice. i dont know about you but going for the root problem of the bug is still better than half-assed change from slaughtering the demons to enslaving them after kicking their ass back to snowland and see if that changes later on. note that she actually makes no effort to this and only claims this to makoto seeing as she needs to convince him.
@archus
why wouldn’t it be? like you admitted, peace negotiations when one side is already overwhelming the other can’t possibly be satisfying for both sides, due to unfair terms as well as more grudges.
the war is still pretty much in balance with great losses on the hyuman side due to hyuman stupidity and great losses on demon side due to makoto…
what’s important when thinking of the best scenario isn’t that who should win but how no one should lose. the demons proposing peace feeds hyuman ego and discrimination, as well as be seen as trying to chicken out and quitting while in the lead to keep their gains.
the hyumans think they lost because the goddess slept, recently they’re getting some confidence back by standing on their own and developing proper military thinking …somewhat…but still without the goddess’ help and in such a short amount of time so it’s still commendable. now, the goddess came back so they’re really expecting to win this easily. then they keep getting shown that even with the goddess’ help they still can get their asses kicked. this should have knocked some sense into them that they should not have such superior race thinking.
however, they still have a much higher probability of winning in the end so it has to come from the hyuman side which can be seen as sincerely acknowledging the demons. and now is the perfect time for it, especially before the war gets worse again. the previous losses can still be taken as the tuition fee for such a long due lesson in humility. makoto has helped greatly in this by curbing the damage to the civilians and hyuman leadership in rotsgard but anymore will definitely be a tragedy. if the war front is pushed further on either side, the chance of a satisfying(or at least bearable) peace for both sides decreases drastically.
Yeah. I’m really happy with this chapter.
The author is taking the idea of “fighting a world’s god” pretty sensibly and the characters agonizing over the matter is delicious. They both need to think about this more. Hibiki already acknowledges that Makoto can probably really beat the goddess, so she needs to get used to that idea as an option. Makoto, on the other hand, should start thinking about the consequences of doing so a little more.
This whole thing fighting a God at the end kind of reminds of the Star Ocean game series.
I think Makoto’s “let’s kill the Goddess and not worry about the consequences” is an easier way than Hibiki’s.
Hibiki’s plan will take the rest of her life, it will involve constant battles until the demons are defeated followed by years of convinces humans to be more open-minded towards humans.
Makoto’s plan will probably take at most a couple of years, he just needs to figure out how to bring to fight to the Goddess. And then it will end in a single life-or-death battle. And then he’s planning to abandon the world entirely, either living in Earth or Asora.
Man. I’m not sure whether to praise the author or praise the readers, but the topics of this chapter seem to heavily overlap with the discussions we’ve been having.
Gradually and surely, Makoto and Hibiki and following the path of logic we’ve laid out for them respectively and now they’re on a slight collision course. It’s slightly predictable, but I’m really glad they’re letting this conversation run its course. Both sides are compelled to reflect on ideas they hadn’t noticed before, and it’s a necessary process for whatever comes next.
Congratulation Hibiki, Now Makoto is going to join the war, slowly…
no he isn’t going to join the war between hyumans and demons.. he’ll start preparing for one with the goddes
HAH! Hibiki’s chat that was meant to get Makoto as more tolerant towards the society of the world has ended up hardening his resolve to change the world from its roots if given the chance. In addition, even if he finds a way home (with some conditions as he still wishes to have his followers and Asora), he won’t go quietly like Waterfall would wish but will instead immediately go after the Goddess as he has a safety net of his original world to rely on. It is ironic that him finding a way home may potentially accelerate his confrontation with the Goddess instead of averting it entirely as Hibiki and Waterfall would hope for.
Hibiki is already charmed by the hyumans. Also Hibiki still have a hard feeling for the demons due to the death of her Companions
Truly, Waterfall has proven herself the master strategist.
Well, in this case I think it’s Hibiki who ruined Waterfall’s plans.
That dragon, a being that is officially seen as a guardian of Limia, and someone Hibiki knows she probably wouldn’t be able to beat, has tried really hard to make Hibiki understand how dangerous Makoto is, and that the best thing they can do is not get him involved in the conflict at all.
Besides Waterfall, there was also Tomoe (to some extent) and even Mio herself (while revealing her true identity) who warned Hibiki to play nice. Even Chiya-chan, the one existence in this world that can be said to be the closest to Hibiki, told her in no uncertain terms how scary Makoto is.
What does Hibiki do? She decides she knows better than everyone else and tries to convince Makoto that her views are the correct ones, that he’s wrong and he should just go along with her, or else (implied).
What Waterfall wanted, was that no one even mentions anything in Makoto’s presence that could remind him of the conflict between Hyumans and Demons. She wanted Hibiki to distract Makoto with trivial stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the conflict. Make him happy and focused on trivial stuff.
We’ve known pretty much from the beginning that Tomoki is trash. But in my opinion, until this chapter, I still wasn’t entirely certain about Hibiki. She was a like a pendulum, swinging from one side to the other, but in this chapter my opinion of her has solidified, and it is bad.
My feelings with Hibiki were always that she meant well, but there was something inherently…off about her.
It’s kind of like interacting with an eldritch-influenced town. Things seemed alright and if you described it to someone out of context, no one would see what was wrong. But…yeah. We finally get to see the real problems with her here.
@Kortodo
I didn’t think of it that way but yeah I think you are correct.
I guess the dragon wanted Hibiki to seduce him or something. Though as Lime said, there’s no chance of that happening between the two of them.
oh well, makoto show that is not so stupid like i tought. and hibiki is the same bitch same bitch.
thx reigo!!!!
so hibiki doesn’t like makoto to discriminate the hymans but she discriminate the demi-hymans? is like defend a bully instead of a bullied
A hypocrite she is huh? That’s bad. Especially for a hero which btw in most series are.
Er… what?
Hibiki doesn’t like discrimination against demi-hyumans either. She doesn’t think it can be changed right away.
Unless by demi-hyumans, you also include Demons. In which case, it’s not about discrimination but that a racial war has been going on for so long, peace is hard to find.
have you seen how far bullies can go? i find it justifiable in most cases for the bullied to take revenge, and in extreme cases, to the extent of killing, IF the bully shows no remorse or attempt to change/make it up.
she’s basically like the useless teachers that pretends to understand the suffering but tells the bullied to suck it up anyway and if they fight back in any way, they punish the bullied A LOT.
the hyumans can’t be expected to show remorse if the bug exists. bug will outlive hibiki and will continue to promote discrimination. it’s a waste makoto didn’t enumerate the gods he met and described how great they are, especially moonbro. having lots of good gods backing you up would encourage hibiki to try better ways.
also, she can claim she doesn’t discriminate all she wants, but what she does is obviously ignoring their suffering in favor of hyumans. even for a political move, she’s not doing the #1 way to help out the demihumans or demon race as a hero…HAVE ONE IN YOUR PARTY! if i was in her position and i found out makoto has connections to the demon race, i’d immediately ask him to mediate for peace. ask him if anyone on the demon’s side would be willing to cooperate! if she wasn’t discriminating against the demons, she’d consider that they aren’t to be treated as a whole in this war and that some of them would certainly want peace.
she’s clearly delusional on her hero role…for the hyumans. not anyone else. yet she arrogantly claims she’s fighting for the ‘world’ simply because hyumans are the majority.
Oh man! I totally didn’t think about that! It would totally be a great method to include a race in the Hero’s Party, wouldn’t it?
In reality it couldn’t be changed period with a slow burn message.
At best, as soon as Hibiki is gone the Godess will continue spreading her teachings of discrimination.
At worst, she can do it after Hibiki wins the war. Hibikini seems pretty desperate to be looked at as a hero, and she cold lose that standing if she disagrees with a direct message from the Godess.
Well, makoto doesnt discriminate so human discrimination is wrong.
But hibiki supports limia kingdom so anything is correct.
The only way to judge these ppl r from their own concepts (or whatever it is idk. bad english) since everyone is right
Kind of right.
Bug just picked a favorite type of ppl
Hyumans feels special because they are (but way too relliant.)
Demi humans r just jelly
The system existed way too long so ppl accept it
Damn it Makoto, why you never show some guts, make her surrender to your will. She’s clearly going against you. For all I know she’s just some random person from the same place that you don’t personally know.
Yes thats actually true but makoto is an idiot so i can’t expect him to realise it. But thanks to that the 3 Gods like him and from what i heard they created something like a fan-club? This came from someone who read the jap raw of that side story.
First of all he’s 18 second of all he’s just an average person when it come to his skill(except archery)third makoto is soft when it come to somebody who’s not his enemy while that could be a problem if he’s as strong as her or little bit stronger this guy is waayy more stronger than her,she cant do shit to him as of now or later if she make makoto cant live in the world makoto can just go to asora when she want to threaten asora resident some of them is wayyyy stronger than her soo what can she do?
I think Makoto did a pretty good job of standing his ground here, to be honest. He firmly disagrees with Hibiki’s assessment and hopes that she won’t eventually actively fight him.
…In the same way a mob boss hopes a close family member doesn’t do something that would “force” him to brutally put them down.
Well, aside from his OP power, makoto have a naive personality. From childhood he is not blessed have a weak constitute body and plain face and brain i think. Tomoki is different he is popular person that blessed by his face but unlucky coz bullying. And hibiki maybe because she is honor student and maybe have a good childhood, so maybe everyone have different standing.
Maybe if makoto didn meet with tomoe and shiki, he just become a tool.
i actually like how he admits his choice isn’t all good and has consequences. and he did show some guts, he stood by his basic beliefs pretty well. stay neutral, destroy the bad foundation of the world, help those in need. if he becomes your kind of aggressive, he’d be no different from trashmoki.
I am disgusted by Hibiki’s (historically abysmal chances of) ‘incremental change’ policy just to maintain the status quo (of which she is practically at the pinnicle of the privileged class).
Yet I got to be equally harsh in acknowledging Makoto’s weak stance in shoring up his position when the topic veered into ‘replacement god’. Not just him but there at least 4 more powerful Gods condemning “Bug’s” incompetence (in feeding Hyumanity’s superiority hubris via ‘Blessings’ and ‘beauty above all’ doctrine). Those Gods even contemplated handing world management to some other god.
Makoto could easily have mentioned this, point out her and Limia’s near complete loss to the ‘inferior minority’ class had he not intervened the last 2 times, or even reveal ‘Bug’s ‘ utter rejection of him (and ask why he should bow to her policies when it was Moon-bro that picked him back up).
Yeah…I think that’s more a question of, “how much should Makoto tell her?”.
There’s some information to be kept secret, but…I’m not sure. Should he have just told her everything you mentioned? Is there any reason not to?
I think he would gain more if he told her that. I mean, the Bug already knows. Why not the Bug’s heroes?
Besides, even if no god(dess) becomes a replacement for Bug, apparently, the world was doing reasonably okay even before Bug arrived.
The way I see it, unmanaged worlds are like wilderness untouched by civilization. It can be a harsh place to live in, but not impossible, and is teeming with natural resources that anyone can use as needed, with some effort. Whereas, when gods arrive and begin to manage the world, they make it easier to live in, but at the same time, they impose rules and restrictions, and while making the natural resources easier to use, they also restrict access to them.
I think I would prefer it if another god came in and managed it though.
I’m in it less for the order and more to avoid some random even worse evil god deciding to settle down on this world.
Make her “surrender to his will”?
WTF?
Thank you for the chapter REIGOKAI SAN
Thank you, reigokai
Haaa wow. Cant say i’m amazed. Well at least makoto now knows who js he closed with.
Thanks for the chapter.
They both make good points when it comes to discrimination, but the whole reason for the war is the demon race are backed into the corner of extinction. Saying that change can come afterwards in a war of complete annihilation, Hibiki hasn’t thought this through much either.
Just my personal opinion.
Well she thought demon race cant be helped anymore so she didnt mind they are dead while makoto think they can be helped.
I don’t think she understands what the stakes are. It’s difficult for someone from our world to comprehend a war like this. There’s wars of attrition, wars for land, and wars for religions, and while it’s said to “destroy everything and everyone” we’ve never really just slaughtered entire populations, at least, not in the last few millennia. It can’t be easy for anyone to visualize this kind of war. Even I find myself thinking that one side or the other would stop before it got to the slaughter of noncombatant women and children.
I mean, I just sort of simplify the war to a fight between two individuals.
Unlike fights over resources or anything like that where the loser just slips off licking their wounds while the winner enjoys the spoils, this is a fight to the death where the winner doesn’t stop until the loser is no longer breathing.
It’s an equally horrific concept on a more comprehensible level.
I can understand why she can’t comprehend this though. She’s a 19 year old girl from modern day Japan. The closest I can imagine to a war of extinction hasn’t really been seen since the time that city-states were the largest population centers. And with that, the victors killed every male old enough to hold a weapon, and forced the females and every male under 10 to convert to the victor’s religion and culture. I’m a military history buff, and I can’t comprehend a war of extinction on this level. How can I expect Hibiki to? The only things that I can is what the Israelites did to their enemies at their god’s command, and even that only happened once or twice, if at all.
And if I understand that part of the Bible right, even the Isrealites didn’t really understand it, considering how bad they were at actually doing it.
She probably does not want that but she will insist that any peace discussion must start from the weaker demon side and must be under the stronger hyuman terms. This is where difference in views comes from where demons views it as war for survival while hyumans views it as insurrection and they need to teach them a lesson. Diplomacy is out of the table from demons side and we also see Zef suppressing the moderate factions that wants to start diplomacy.
And all our genocidal wars are against fellow humans (at least that we know of). Who ever the winner is, humanity will go on. This is species against species, if left to go to its conclusion, one will go extinct.
While it isn’t a war, we Humans do engage in annihilation of other species, for one reason or another. They may be “just” animals to us, but we have already killed many species to extinction, and have come close to it with many others, and the Hyumans do view the Demons along the lines of animals / lower species.
The only difference is, that we have reached a point where the animals can’t fight back against us.
If there are only 1 million demons and 200 million humans than it’s probably impossible for demons to kill all the humans. Just from the perspective of logistics.
And humans probably wouldn’t kill ALL the demons either. Just make them into slaves probably, like with demi-humans. Well… probably.
In This Chapter:
Makoto is basically PETA, while Hibiki is a high-ranking company slave who dreams of changing her Black Company from the inside.
lol that PP nice hammer time for gilgamesh
And the Company President is an immortal who may, at most, humor Hibiki while she is working for the company and then likely go back to her (the President’s) shady shenanigans after Hibiki’s gone.
Seriously, how do you enact generational change when (as Hibiki herself admitted) the immortal God of an almost universally believed religion will work against you, at latest, right after your death? All Bug needs to do is continue her “non-Hyumans are lessers” message after Hibiki is dead…or at soonest, after she kills the demons. How could Hibiki keep hero Hero image up if she disagrees with the revered Godess’ teachings, after all?
Makoto is more of BLM supporters for me while Hibiki is a conservative politician. Hibiki’s argument all links to slow reform and status quo preservation which is kinda on same line of conservative thinking.
Makoto is PETA because he supports the wellbeing of other species while saying that humans (well, hyumans) should suffer for what they done.
Hibiki is a company slave in a demihuman-exploiting company because she’s too jaded to think that her company can change by being told directly, and thus instead follows orders while persuading other people as she climbs rank. I guess it is basically a conservative politician’s POV, but that analogy isn’t as silly, haha
Peta euthanise a lot of pets……,
Kill the goddess!!!(x3)
Be orsted sealing hitogami!
I love this,I hope he unites the dragons and other ancients,and challenge the goddess to a battle and kill or seal her
And Thanks for the tl!
Thanks for the chapter, it was fun~ can’t wait for when Hibiki starts her plan to sacrifice 1000 people to send Makoto back to earth, I want to see what Makoto will do! ….. Ok I sound awful but I really am curious of what he’ll think of her then, or maybe what he thinks of her would have already changed before that event?
I doubt about such a method will work, The HEAD of the superior dragons said it was close to impossible, i doubt a random ritual would work.
And ACK Hibiki is already dyed in the bug colors, so reasoning with her is impossible, maybe it wouldnt work that way before Naval’s death, people keep telling Makoto is the unreasonable one, but at least he tries to minimize his bias toward hyumans, As another cheat MC of a certain WN said while scolding some wannabe heroes, Have you ever tried to explore and see the point of view of the demons ?
and also dont forget, the recalling ritual need the consent of the ritual target to be send back
she said she already know both side of the force but mostly she only ‘know’ the side of hyuman ‘good’ ,she know the demon ‘mostly’ on their fighting against her , she didnt even bother to check the truth between the history that she read, basically for me she just in denial and only approve the fact that she deem good for her own agenda
only works when he agrees, was mentioned several times .
The dragon was quite clear that the recall summon thing would require Makoto’s approval.So even if she wanted to it’s pointless.
And I’m sure that Makoto can do it with his own magical power without needing sacrifices. Same as the Goddess can.
Whoa that’s a really thought provoking chapter. Hibiki really has a strange mindset in my view anyways. I can see how Makoto is pissed though since the goddess discriminated against him the moment he stepped into this dimension.
I really don’t know how much longer he can stay neutral though since sooner or later some war is going to happen somewhere where his friends or someone he knows is going to get hurt in a way.
Exactly, that bug have been the problem. I wonder what would happen if Makoto knows how the bug treat his parents.
What do you mean? Bug treated his parents fine.
He already isn’t. Aside from Makoto’s own personal experience being discriminate by the goddess and the hyumans (for being fugly), close to all of his subordinates are demons, demi-humans or mamonos. As long as he can’t see them fitting in on the current society, he will be against the “common sense” set in the world.
Hibiki’s mindset is fine… it’s just that we don’t know if she ever experienced being discriminated for being the minority. It’s easy for her to say things like “you’re discriminating against us just because we’re in the majority”. It’s along the lines of being ‘privileged’. But objectively speaking (in the closest sense), there’s no fault in her logic.
oh, and Makoto could also say things like ‘Let’s bring down the Goddess’ because he has a chance.. but Hibiki does not
I mean, that’s still being neutral. Makoto’s like a superboss level roaming mob in a game that won’t aggro until you attack him.
If his friends are attacked…well…he’s aggroed. It’s still a neutral setting.
His action as a whole can still be classified as neutral. However his views are definitely leaning toward demi-humans and demons while thinking hyumans can solve everything because they’re so strong (which is fallacy)
Hibiki is protecting the interest of Limia. Makoto is protecting the interest of Asora. And the Demon Lord is protecting the interest of the demons. For Limia and the demons, they are fighting for survival. Makoto just want to be left alone and do his stuff. And unlike most neutral forces in history he can enforce his neutrality. If either sides harm his people he’s going to crush them. The demons got the message. Let’s see if Limia does.
It would be funny if the hyumans receive a message from the demons. “Please don’t provoke the Kuzunoha Company! We’ll both lose if the world is destroyed.”
Gracias por el capítulo!!!
Esperando el siguiente~
Thanks for the chapter.
Thanks for the chapter!
Ah, I was thinking she was right for awhile, then she went an said demons are terroist……like what the F***
the minority are terrorist how donald trump of her, this pissed me off to no end, in the way she said, the African american people should have been slaves their entire lives, only to try and crawl up, but in the end failing, our history has already proved this idea does not work, the american civil war clearly showed that when lincon ended slavery we got a country spilt in two over this. Makoto idea is more right than hers but he believes in more I will first proceed then handle all the other matters later, we can worry that far bridge when we cross it. I agree with this stance more, if you don’t get rid of the bug then she will always plant this thought in the children,
Also another thing when hyumans receive the blessing for the common language does she implant these thought or can she do it then no matter how hard she tries that thought process will never go away.
Hibiki is to naive as usual, Makoto is right in the moment, and i believe he will have another countermeasure for the future when it comes
In situations like this, the only difference between the word ‘terrorist’ and ‘revolutionary’ is who won.
and also the target , i think. since ‘terrorist’ nowadays mostly target civillian and not the fighting force
Yes, this is a revolution but it is not a revolution for political change, it is a revolution for the survival of the species, if the demons win then it will affect all demi-hyumans, and first of all we do not even know if the demons will enslave the hyumans after the war, all the demons want are a better place to live, better land, they are living in the cold winter barren
I am sure the demons have tried talking before, but with the goddess influence the hyumans did not listen to them
I don’t know if the demons have tries talking before. They probably did, but at this point, more than a better place to live, they want to genocide the hymans. I remember this was mentioned some time ago by the demon loli whose name I forgot. Even if the goddess is gone and the hyumans are willingly to cease their discrimination, give them better land and treat them equally, I think the demons would still wave war against the hyumans to eradicate them
*tried
Damn autocorrect
or the hyuman just doesnt care to listen to them because they think they’re far superior and demi-human and the demons are just slave to them
Demons views it as war for survival, Hyumans views it as insurrection. There are misalignments of view here which will impede future discussions. Discounting religious views, it really feels like this war is pointless just looking at the numbers. The war has already gone on for ages and there are so many bad blood on both sides that its even difficult to just even build the bridge, and its not like the demons wants to (sari said something about zef like this before).
Also, while the situation is so messed-up because of the goddess and Makoto is probably right, on the ground and political level, it does not make sense to try to have peace discussion when you are clearly on positions of power even if you don’t count religious views. Regardless of the intention or how you communicate it with others, it will be seen as clear sign of weakness by nobles and common people and will be ground for impeachment or insurrection. If there will be any peace discussion, the weaker side should be the one who started it and pretty sure Hibiki will help it succeed.
Yeah, the hyumans have the demons beat in numbers and individual strength, just as Hibiki said. And yet, the fact that they’ve fought as well as they have really calls into question who’s weaker. If the heroes had never arrived, the war would probably be getting close to its finish soon, and the hyumans would not be the ones who were victorious.
Remember that Hibiki use japanese/earth common sense. Are people in earth see ISIS as freedom fighter.? Nope, we see them as terrorists (i as muslims also see them as terrorists). She also think there’s no point to keep useless war and want demon race to lay down their arms and seek negotional method (like Israel vs Palestine which will never happened) then after peace take place, she will amend the demon-demi hyuman-hyuman situation eventhough it will took years. She use that kind of common sense. She think what the best situation for that world as the world will be destroyed if goddess usurped/killed.
While Makoto, make his move by his emotion againts the goddess. He will reach out to those who seek help but he won’t take hyumans side as he disgusted with them deep inside his heart.
no Hibiki does not use earth common sense, she has clearly said in this very chapter that you cannot use earth common sense in this world. Makoto is using earth common sense,
please check chapter again.
She is only mortal, she will not live for more than a 100 years, the goddess is eternal, she will still be around even after hibiki dies, spread her message about hyuman supremacy and she wins.
Makoto’s method for taking down the goddess by force is right. He absolutely cannot use any other method.
“if god can bleed, then people will stop believing in him” (Forgot what movie)
Makoto has to show that the their supreme existence is sham, and then you can properly start affecting the hyumans, if they start seeing she is sham then it will reverse their thinking of them being the chosen race since their were chosen by a sham
I am canadian thus I view her as wrong in my canadian common sense
I think they’re both right, given their capabilties.
Hibiki does not have the power to fight or replace Bug, so she has to find a way to live with her.
Makoto does have the power and he knows about other gods, so he has a better solution for the world: beat Bug down.
Well hold on. Hibiki seems in favor of keeping Bug, even after learning that Makoto brings the possibility of taking her down(he just wants to punish her, but she seems to think it’s gotta be elimination).
Granted, she hasn’t had enough time to let the option sink in, but it seems like her capability isn’t the limitation here.
I think both using/influenced by earth common sense. If you think a minority fighting againts majority and label them as terrorist, it’s a common sense used by many people in earth (see what happened to Islam and muslims rifht now.? We all have been labeled as terrorist or extremist by many people). And Hibiki use that common sense. While Makoto use “reach your hand for those who seek help” but still “disgusted by the people in power/superiority” common sense.
I not saying i’m supporting Hibiki, i also think it’s better to drag down that goddess and replace her with other god, but like Hibiki said, if the goddess vanished, there will be momentual chaos with the residents of that world before she(goddess) replaced with other gods
Soldiers killing soldiers are soldiers. People killing civilians to make a point are terrorists. At least that’s what terrorists are to me. The way the demons used civilians against Hibiki during the invasion would make the terrorists. But this is a war for survival so it’s a bit of a gray area. Those civilians would probably be happy to kill a helpless demon.
Muslims are not fighting for survival, hell, most Muslims are scared of the terrorists since they attack fellow Muslims that doesn’t agree with them. Someone I know that joined ISIS did it so he can help enforce Islamic laws on the world and force people to convert to the right religion or die. They’re like the Inquisitions. The way I see them, they’re fighting for supremacy.
Iron Man 2. If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him. There will be blood in the water, the sharks will come
Makoto doesn’t discrimate… between enemies that is. You show me hostility, you die. Hyuman, demon, or god.
@Rei, I don’t think using Muslim and Islamic terrorism as a reference for the demons is correct, since the Hyumans are the ones using their religion to oppress and wipe out the demons, while the demons are just trying to survive…
Unlike religious terrorism, fighting a war for survival should be more understandable to any race and this was all brought on by the fact that the goddess didn’t like them.
Sadly though, the demons had already changed their objective to revenge, since it is what most of them wanted.
bullshit.
ISIS is different from this case.
this are two countries/race fighting each other.
I loled at the “how Donalt Trump odd her” XD
So Hibiki’s basically Netanyahu, and the demons are Palestinians.
More like Japan and China during WW2 or slavery and following in the US.
You can extend it toward most majority-minority conflict. Its really difficult to pick the best side on this kind of arguments since both sides have reasonable arguments. Makoto’s stance is more of a revolutionaries since he got power to back it up and that kind of thing brings suffering to alot of people (check aftermath of French Revolution). His discrimination toward Hyumans is also abit like BLM reacting toward WLM i.e you are majority so suck it up, the important one currently is the suffering one (demi-humans and demons). Even though his action still more on the neutral, he himself do leans more toward demons and demi-humans (which is what Sari wants and the fruit of inviting raidou to demon’s territory)
Thanks for your hardwork. Don’t even try, Hibiki. I don’t remember her last name. Always unpleasant to mention enemy’s first name.
welp that is one heavy chapter
talking, understanding, acceptance all in one feel
thanks !
Ahhh, the cog of great wars already move. Both Makoto and Hibiki already stated their position. One stand by the goddess side and hope to turn the situation to better future bit by bit and one againts the goddess for her discrimination all this time and for his own personal revenge.
At this point, i think Makoto will lead to demon alliance alternative self, in war againts the goddess & hyuman race under Tomoki and Hibiki banner
So it’s very possible that the demon lord would actually become Mokoto’s next servant isn’t it?
Yup. There’s high chance for that
Seeing as it’s already been showed in a dream that Zef was Makoto’s servant, and that none of the dreams turn into reality, no, there’s actually close to no chance for thar.
This is just my personal opinion, but I feel like the Goddess will become his 4th servant. Initially he had wanted to help out the wasteland orcs and ended up fighting with Shin (Tomoe) who then became his servant. After creating Asora and moving the wasteland orcs there Tomoe brought the Eldwas as well as the Calamity Spider (Mio) and Makoto fought her and she became his servant. Fast forward to when he’s in Tsige and he wants to help provide medicine to people by making use of a plant that the forest oni were protecting and he came into conflict with Larva (Shiki) once beating him Shiki decided to become his 3rd servant.
Thus far Makoto has fought all his servants before they recognized him as someone they don’t wish to fight (Tomoe thought he was interesting, Mio was grateful for a delicious meal and satiating her hunger, Shiki came to know of someone from another world). It might make sense that the next fight Makoto actually has is with the Goddess and perhaps she decides to become his servant after that? Though I could be way off here.
Nop spoiler-san Say next follower is “she”
Makoto doesn’t need an army, from the demon race, as they would just weigh him down. Not to mention it would break his promise not to overtly go against humans (and Makoto takes his promises very seriously). That being said, that promise says nothing about going after the Goddess herself; which adds another reason why Makoto won’t pick a side as killing hyumans and demons isn’t the root cause and is thus inefficient and wasteful to lives. The only other alternative besides beating up the Goddess is for Makoto to mass genocide both sides, thus becoming the dark looming shadow over the world that all races live in fear of and thus band together for mutual survival (remember those survivors from Makoto creating the lake and how both sides had an epiphany of the futility of the war in the face of such overwhelming power?). Of course, that isn’t an option as Makoto wouldn’t do that without a great deal of provocation (don’t wake the sleeping kitty!), plus how that would set a collision course with the Goddess anyway and as such it’s better to just skip the process of mob slaughtering and fight the BOSS.
The purpose of mob farming is to level up anyways. Makoto barely even needs to do that.
yep, makoto is using EXP scroll to level up without even hunting for EXP
nah, since this has a level system, what he’s doing is more along the lines of powering up his stats even though he’s just level 1 in reality..
He is still level 1 even after killing lots of monsters, hyumans, and demons. Thus we can conclude that he can’t level up: whether this is because he is so powerful that he needs a ridiculous amount of exp that would involve killing most, if not all, life on the planet or else God-slaying Kratos-style. The other alternative is that he is such a weird aberration (hyuman parents who transported to Earth and lived as humans while not having Goddess protection to live like his elder sis or natural adapting as his little sis did but somehow surviving while lacking either and then being thrust back to his parent’s origin planet and you have yourself a frickin unlikely miracle if there ever was one) in the system that Root created that he simply slips through the cracks. For whatever reason (may be other theories besides mine) it practically means that he just doesn’t level up. Good thing he has his cheat bow skills to level up in his own way (raw magic can substitute for a level up by buffs, and then some with his OP mana ocean) and his body tempered by the severe conditions he had on Earth.
Isn’t Makoto getting ZERO EXP from his opponents so far because he’s far stronger than them?
I wonder if it’s possible to capitalize on that effect actually?
Find a way to broadcast his image to the world, go “Hey. Stop that.”, and shoot lake-forming arrows everywhere around the world to instill everyone with the same feeling.
So basically fire magic nukes at everyone without actually killing them to prove that they can be killed at any time? Pretty much a bloodless Sword of Damocles thing that I mentioned in my earlier post in this comment sequence. No guarantees it would work 100% on everyone as it is only watching what may happen instead of actually feeling and living with the pain and suffering it caused and the brutal aftermath that forces the survivors to band together or die together; difference between a slapping a misbehaving child and going through a near death experience that completely shakes your values at their core and having a lengthy recovery that makes you a better person. It may work in the short-term for awhile, but may not be enough to change everyone at their core and across generations. In any case, Makoto would definitely go for the more sure-fire solution of beating up Goddess (she is the root and would probably cause racial division again when Makoto is away/dead; even if a slap is enough to change everyone) as opposed to a solution that only may work (curing the problem vs suppressing the symptoms). May have been a bit rambly and metaphor heavy, but that more or less sums it up I suppose?
It is one of the possibilities which was show in his dreams at past chapter, where tomoe n Mio will die in the battle against the goddess. But things has changed after he achieved creation. He is basically very near God level as creation can only be use by gods.
It’s interesting how good sophist she is, argumentum ad populum and at verecundiam all the time she speaks.
Makoto is also using fallacies, but at least he isn’t fully convinced about them himself.
I think it’s a difference in personalities and capabilities.
Hibiki strikes me as a normal person, and a realist. (i.e., she looks at the situation and evaluates it accordingly.) Since she doesn’t have the power to change things forcefully, she aims for something within her abilities.
On the other hand, Makoto has god-level powers, a personal refuge in the form of Asora for all the people he cares about. And because he doesn’t care about Hyumans, he doesn’t have to worry about consequences for them.
That’s why it’s great that these two got to talk like this though.
Hibiki can now at least start thinking about options that weren’t available before, and Makoto is now compelled to at least think about the consequences a little more.
Yeah, now we know Hibiki’s stance on this war. She doesn’t think everything is good and she has doubts but she acknowledges that Limia is the one who summon her and therefore have more connections to and its the country she will do anything to protect. She acknowledge her view is biased toward Limia but she cannot sever that connection so she defends Limia’s interest at the expense of others she may not even know. Its really a mature and realist response that knows the limit of her power and the gravity of the situation and think of the consequence through. She will have a great career as politician and maybe in other story which follows her adventure, she will be a good protagonist.
Thanks 4 the chapter
That’s a flag if i’ve ever seen one.
He should’ve rocket punched her
he should’ve give her a german surplex and RKO her outta nowhere
I’m glad I reread that comment before asking “what the hell’s a gentleman’s suplex!?”
well… i think ‘gentleman surplex’ is the ‘british version’ of german surplex while wearing a fancy suite, monocle, and fancy hat while saying : “excuse me sir/madam, i would like to give you this thing right now *process to surplexing* “
Thats better, cast aside hero party from battle field into waste of land.
makoto has declared !!! there will be a fight between him and goddess
main objective : pimp slap the bug outta the throne
Yay! Thanks for the chapt!
I really hate hibiki. Tomokis better than her cause hes an idiot while hibikis a snake.
I dunno man…I feel like an idiot can cause more damage than a schemer. And Tomoki’s side has both of those things!
Tomoki is just way easier to follow because he thinks with his dick.
Thank you Raidou.. I mean Reigokai.
Typo.
There’s a lot of Truck-kun lately. Do you have a union or something? And it would be cooler if you use a truck avatar. Maybe a green truck with purple wheels?
maybe because of the Isekai bussiness going to bloom that there’s lots of applicant to send people to other world
Ehh… I’m not young or as strong as I used to be. So… I had to employ help from my other universe’s self (yup, they’re all me from alt. universe).
I’ll post my current selfie picture. You’ll see why I ask for help.
http://imgur.com/nutpSrE
Ice Cream!
could I get a chocolate flavored one?
seriously !? ice cream truck !? do you know what kind of laughing trauma i got from reading Jitsu Wa Watashi after the ICE CREAM EYE SCREAM YOU ALL SCREAMING FROM ICE CREAM ON YOU EYE
I scream loudly 😛
….Hmm.
Mio’s Notes
Screamed Ice: Surround blocks of frozen milk or fruit juice in a wall of normal ice, then from the center, uproot a mandrake and let it scream into the ice. The noise is a bit annoying, but bear with it. Repeat this until the ice shatters.
When it does, gather up all the frozen cream or juice and stir it up until it becomes snow-like. The bowl of crushed ice afterwards has a refreshing tart taste to go with the sweetness.
Don’t feed it to the weakings because it is just a little poisonous though.
Alright! The long awaited talk between Makoto and Hibiki! I can’t wait.
…Is this a long chapter? I can’t tell after the past few.
…I feel like a cheat MC with no sense of power or money. I…I just don’t know…
Thanks for the chapter… Hibiki… turn to the dark side… thats some warped common sense and racism..
Great job on Makoto holding his ground.
Yes, Makoto is a racist
well makoto is racist to hyuman mostly because of them always harrasing him and only some of them doing something that make him feel just right (like the rembrant and co.) the girls harrasing by proposing to him just so they can get the ‘honey pot’ , the church demands them to give the way of making their potion, the hopeless keep trying to attack him, etc.
That’s normal for their culture. It’s irritating and insulting sure. Not harassment. Offense is taken, not given.
I disagree though. Leaving aside the church, which is debatable, as it can be speculated that they would have used their position as the church to force Makoto to do what the us asked, what the hopeless brat did was clearly harassment. And what his shity dad is doing is even worse. Even if whatever the us do doesn’t really affect Makoto, that doesn’t deny the fact it’s harassment. Why the hell should he accept it just because it’s normal in their lame, completely biased culture?
And not everyone has the mindset of “offense is taken, not given”. I think it’s pretty normal for Makoto to be discriminating the hymans.
*what they
Damn autocorrect
You might think it’s “normal,” but it still makes him a hypocrite
Please explain, just curious really.
Explain how discrimination is still discrimination no matter how one justifies it to themselves?
No, explain why you consider him an hypocrite and elaborate.
I already did. Really?
So what? Even so, as he’s the protagonist and we read things from his perspective, he’s much more relatable than Hibiki. Both their point of view can be sum up in.
Hibiki: the majority is more important, so there should be a slow reforme in the world way of thinking. Meanwhile, all the minority should just suck it up and bear with it. Doesn’t matter if they go extinct.
Makoto: the majority has been having things their way for a long time. There should be a quick reform that may bring a very bloody time, but well, doesn’t matter. Hyumans are the majority, so they should just suck it up because even if their numbers decline, they’ll probably won’t go extinct.
The two of then are biased, but Makoto is more relatable. And Hibiki is a hypocrite too. But well, deciding who’s more wrong or less correct is quite subjective.
They’re both hypocrites
Well, to be fair, Hibiki is right in one regard, Makoto does discriminate against hyumans. Even his followers knows that. That’s why Shiki wants him to be more interested in his students (ironic coming from a lich). So it can be said both are racists to some degree.
Thanks for the chapter Reigokai!
thanks for the chapter
Thanks, also Makato just do what you want and ignore her.
PS: HE’D BETTER RESPOND TO TOMOE’S AND MIO’S AFFECTION FOR HIM
Its better if they stay familyzoned.
i think its better for them to find the way for all of them can go back to prime earth so makoto parents can ‘force’ the affection by telling Makoto to hurrily give them grandchild 😛
I don’t think he would cave in even if his parents asked him to, basically it has to be of his own initiative or it’s not happening.
And you know what?
I wouldn’t hesitate to read another 200 chapters of this story if it suddenly became a slice-of-life, school life, rom-com that actually went in that direction.
…..Gee, it would be kinda awkward having a superior dragon or calamity spider as daughters-in-laws, wouldn’t it? Do they go with “-sama”? Which “they” am I even referring to!?
well, a man can dream of something :3
You know what, let’s just get Makoto together with a certain blond-haired, green-eyed tsuntsuntsuntsun….dere.
It’ll probably never happen, but it would be interesting and funny to read if it doesヾ(^ω^*). I would ship it XD
the two of them are having a serious cataclysmic discussion and here we’re just worrying whether Makoto would accept Mio and Tomoe’s feelings for him XD
beside the result of that discussion will always be ‘Makoto standing in neutral’ and always end in ‘you attack me, i obliterate you’ . Unlike when will makoto accept both of their feeling which is far more enjoyable to predict what kind of development way will he accept their feeling, will it bloom in battle ? daily date ? or will it be on verge of death fight ?
Perfectly reasonable!
Even a response with familial love is better than what’s going on now.
As it stands, there seems to be a reservedness to it and I feel like Makoto needs to treat them more affectionately, even if it’s not romantic.
Like Shiki and Amelia! I can’t wait for the moment Makoto finds out and encourages Shiki like he would a big bro.
Don’t know if is that the author has done a poor job with Makoto but except for the beginning when he asked God to erase his computer memory and dispose of his magazines he has shown a very asexual behavior
he has hinted a few times that he has considered Mio… While drunk, but still.
As for showing affection for other girls… Mio and tomoe would never allow those bugs getting close. Not to mention that he unconscionably has a fairly racist bias against hyumans. and also against demons and mamono. which, to be fair, are a different race.
Add to that his statement that he will not accept any dating before he is sure he actually love someone, it’s not odd that he is slow to start a relationship
Hmmm.. I think that one of the most better way to solve the discrimination problem is to make the Goddess submit to Makoto lol. I will feel refresh if she becomes his servant lol
You know now is just mío and Tomoe,but if another girl joint to the party we’ll have some blood
Ugh, I’ll probably have to re-read it a couple of times , but somehow in the first read felt like they’re both wrong xD.
Thanks for the chapter ^_^.
it’s not a objective thing really, so they can’t be right or wrong Makoto wants things to change quickly basically kick start a revolution so that humans have no choice but to accept everyone as equals it will probably be bloody but so is any revolution.
Hibiki is fine with how things are at the moment but she thinks they should change so she want to gradually change everything to prevent as many losses as possible, even if one side get the short end of the stick. the problem i see with this is that she can’t oversee it and she’d probably die of old age before any significant change take place, meanwhile demons would be treated as objects and “discarded” probably to extinction.
so i personally see Makoto as more right since Hibiki would require her to be in power for ever and enforce laws that give Demons only basic rights making it something like forbidding pet cruelty since that is basically what demons would become. and it would be really hard to enforce so as i see it Hibiki is fine with just killing of all demons since it would be fewer losses total then having them duke it out.
While objectively Makoto is right, his attitude is not. What is the guarantee that another God will come to manage the world? What if the other Gods will simply just destroy the entire world? While the Goddess is wrong, she has the power to brainwash the entire hyuman race and demon race after all. If she so wish, all the resentment would be gone. If he is not ready to be the leader after the revolution, he should not even begin to take arms. That is very irresponsible.
Also what will happen if the Goddess die? Will the divine interference be gone? If so, what will happen to his older sister who is said to be filled to brim with divine blessings? Will she die?
Not like Makoto will think that far. His body might seems like a high school students but his mind is still stuck at middle school level at best. If you want to compare which one is more like a natural disaster, it will be Makoto not the Goddess. Which one is more childish? Makoto of course. He is too easily angered it is not even funny.
Still, I want to see the resolution of this series. Will the world be destroyed? Or somebody is able to change his mind. His thought right now is like the white police beating the black, so we should hate the white people.
Makoto’s family no longer have the Bug’s blessing. It ran out by the time he was born. His parents and older sister had the blessing for a time to let them adapt to the world, while his little sister was born already adapted to the world because she was born from parents that has fully adapted to the world. So only Makoto suffered from having to adjust to the world without the divine training wheel.
Makoto is actually normal (average) for someone his age. I know some college students, hell, some middle aged people more immature.
In life, nothing is guaranteed. Sometimes you have to take a leap in faith. And Makoto not wanting to replace the Bug and administer the world is understandable. That’s a lot of responsibility. He can probably get away with having a system like he has in Asora. One “God” making the important decisions, a few “archangels” as advisors and doing higher level works, with a whole lot of “angels” doing the grunt work.
And though I don’t know if the Bug is capable of mass brainwashing (she very likely have it since Tomoki has one), I do think it’s against whatever rules the Divines have (interfering indirectly = OK, interfering directly = No Go, there’s a reason she needs heroes). She already broken several already, and is currently being punished for her past transgressions, doing anymore would likely lead to more severe punishments.
Hibiki is pro status quo and force the minority to confirm or perish and hope miracle to happen the hyuman to change view of their slave,which probably never happen, she’s just sugar coating and dismiss the root of all problem
I agree with the fact that Makoto is more correct.
All Makoto has to say is “So hypothetically, let’s assume the Kuzunoha company kills almost all the humans, leaving only 100,000 left, would sempai be willing to become a slave?”
A cold sweat goes down Hibiki’s spine.
That’s…an interesting way to ask it.
I think they’re both biased, and it comes from their own experiences and knowledge of what their own capabilities are.
That being said, I liked this chapter very much. Two people having an honest discussion of their views and positions. Even if they disagree, they both understand where the other is coming from.
Agreed, and strongly so.
This was the sort of conversation I had in mind when I mentioned the idea of Makoto setting up a neutral meeting between Hibiki and Zef just so they could have some sort of talk, even if peace was off the table. I still want that, since these two leaders of the races have many things either in common or in contrast with each other, but I accept it’s probably not going to happen because there’s no reason for it to.
Instead, Makoto(who I didn’t expect to be able to have a talk like this) did it for me and I’m very pleasantly surprised.
me too, but i think this is a topic with no right answer, in a way, things are just that bad already. however, choices and approaches to it can be me comparatively more right or less wrong. i think hibiki is more wrong. she scolds makoto for having hyuman discrimination while retaining and moving based on her non-hyuman discrimination. she basically tells the other to suck it up so her side doesn’t have to while ignoring the fact that they already did, it didn’t change anything and they can’t take much more. the least she could do is not be self righteous about it, but noooo, unlike makoto she seems so damn sure that her way is best AND right. maybe if she knows that makoto truly has ways to curb the damage afterwards, she’d be more willing but for now, she’s taking the tiptoe route that depends on future generations…of a kingdom…with the noble system…gotta say, spoiled brats have a bad streak of turning out worse than their so called noble parents. also, based on some definitions, makoto doesn’t actually discriminate. he levels the playing field, he brings true equality and would actually as he said, provide more possible options once the bug is gone. you can’t build a good house on a bad foundation, or expect it to last long. hyumans can’t be trusted to change for the better when the very symbol of their faith has a discrimination policy. actually, i’d prefer it if tomoki isn’t some shitty brat and that lily isn’t a revenge monger and they both go a different path. someone who will twist the goddess teachings to good, like promoting a noblesse oblige way of thinking that if you are superior race, then act like one instead of a trashy bully. promoting a new interpretation of the teachings would be more acceptable to people than outright denying it. maybe compared to hibiki’s slow unreliable plan, a quick one that desires a peace treaty/non-aggression pact along with multiple revolutions at once like setting up a solid meritocracy(without taking them from their parents like the demon’s side did) and education system,etc. with tomoki’s mind control used in moderation to force a side switch to those that are truly evil/corrupt/unreasonable along with lily’s support, it would certainly be an interesting approach.
makoto is too quick with unsure follow up but is sympathetic and reasonable, hibiki is too slow with too self righteous and idealistic hope that the one who has to suck it up can catch up eventually and the one staying privileged would keep letting them even after generations pass. a middle ground would be nice.
and thanks for the chapter^^
well, she already admitted she got some bias because Limia is the kingdom that summoned her, not others. She will put Limia’s interest first before other countries’s while aligning them to make it somewhat better for the world. However, any reform should not disrupt Limia and therefore, status quo is her political view and goals.
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Thanks a lot for the chapter.^^
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∩,,＿＿⌒つっ Nepu!!!
still naked !? damnit nepu ! have thou no shame !?
When have Nepus ever had shame? I was run over by them before Truck-kun.
HENTAI!
Month of love is over already, buddy.
*loads sniper
Thanks for the hard work
Thanks for the new chapter. 🙂
Spoiler-san said: “Finally, the conflict between Raidou and Hibiki has just begin. The future gonna be more tense for both of them afterwards”.
Ugh…
One day I’ll hit you so hard you won’t come back to this world.
It’s not really the level of force you’re lacking in, you know? It’s the corporeality. Gotta find a way to attack on the same plane of existence if you plan to make it stick.
Some kind of time-space magic spell using the worlds energy as fuel maybe?
makoto need to make a drill arrow to break through the heaven 😀
I mean…A way to break into heaven wouldn’t be a bad asset for Makoto to have at his disposal…
argh i mean truck-kun need a drill to break raizu forever so it wont rejuvenate again
I know a Galifreyan who might be able to help. He’s kinda crazy, but he’s got this weird screwdriver that can do anything. Don’t know how to get a hold of him, he just pops up from nowhere outta some British blue police box whenever he needs something from me. I actually kinda hate that guy. He’s always getting me dragged into the weirdest shit.
Please do?
@Raizu, continued conflict between the two of them is it? Well not to ask any leading question but, how much raw chapter is there for this series so far?
From when I stopped reading, there’s much more.
If that happen, i imagining makoto defeat hibiki like io, just throwing it far away from battle field. If the aces or trumpcard in battle field is none you cant advance
Spoiler-san is still away in another world from the last time that Truck-kun hit us. I know because he sends me letters. So please quit putting worlds in Spoiler-san’s mouth?
who send you the letter ? Post-truck-san ? the distant cousin of truck-kun that work to deliver from world to world ?
That is correct.
Reminds me of the anime where the letters of the dead was delivered to the living. Very sad anime.
there was this anime called “Rave Master”
Sarcasm-San says: no shit Sherlock
Thanks for the chapter
Thank’s for the chapter
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thanks for the chapter.
finally, at the top.
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yess 1 puesto yea =.=./
yay! thank you so very much for your hard works 😀
Thanks for the Chapter!!
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y gracias por el gran trabajo hasta ahorra !